Apologies if this isn't the right place to ask this, but I thought actual developers with a deep understanding of how technology actually works would be the people to ask!

If you were tasked with setting up a safe and secure way to do this, how would you do it differently than what the UK government is proposing? How could it be done such that I wouldn't have to worry about my privacy and the threat of government suppression? Is it even theoretically possible to accomplish such a task at such a scale?

Cheers!

EDIT: Just to be clear: I'm not in favour of age verification laws. But they're on their way regardless. My question is purely about the implementation and technology of the thing, rather than the ethics or efficacy of it. Can this seemingly-inevitable privacy hellscape be done in a non-hellscapish way?

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[+] 8 points 7 months ago (15 children)
  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

    That'd only work if legal sex acts were the worst thing a kid could find online. As someone who went spelunking online as a kid. I assure you theyre not.

    And the Roblox issue is hardly that of exposure to normal human biology.

    That said this stuff should be up to parents, and instead of verification requirements, we should have parental control requirements (as in, the tools for it should exist).

    On a lot of devices, I couldn't make them safe to hand to a kid without coding the tools myself.

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    Parental control software existing is a terrible idea?

    There is insufficient incentive for games like Roblox to provide effective controls for parents to manage their childrens accounts.

    That should change.

    I was raised by loving and trustworthy parents. It didn't save me from curiosity leading me to things I was far, far too young to see. No amount of love and care can fix that.

    You do your kids no favors by sheltering them from reality.

    No. You let them learn to swim in he shallows to prepare them. Blind trust is like throwing them into the deep end and seeing if they figure it out before drowning.

    Having a supportive, loving and trustworthy environmnet didn't stop me from wanting to kill myself.

    I figured out how to swim, eventually. But I should not have had to.

    Are you seriusly suggesting that nothing bad will happen to children as long as their parents just care enough?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    It is teaching your kids that you do not trust them, and it is indulging your own paranoia.

    Only if you never lift the restrictions, and coddle instead of raise them.

    A parent buying their kid their first beer is a show of trust, and confidence in having prepared them. That they weren't allowed before isn't some paranoia about turning them into an alcoholist. It's about preparation and maturity.

    It is a display that shows that the parent feels their child is ready and responsible enough for the ability to decide themselves to be granted to them.

    A parent enforcing a rule before that is not some violation.

    Only, for the internet, the tools and know-how to do so are rare or non-existent.

    My parents did this with tons of things as me and my siblings grew up. Each time trusting us with a new piece of responsibility, when they felt we were ready.

    What kind of parent doesn't decide their childrens bedtime until they can sanely maintain their sleep schedule themselves?

    It was a big day when I was granted the ability to go to visit friends without asking permission first.

    Parental control and guidance is essential for the stage-by-stage raising of a child into adulthood. Both online and offline, only tools and practices around the former practically don't exist.

    Each parent is also on a deadline. When someone turns 18, all rules come off whether you're ready or not.

    As a parent, you should aim for your kid to be making as many decisions themselves as possible by then.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (4 children)

    And did you seriously just try to use dismissing my trauma as a point, instead of a logical retort?

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    None of your business.

    I don't need you approval that my past is "real enough" to be allowed to argue my point.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Sure.

    Reply to this.

    Not the comment where I actually make my case.

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    Alcohol is also harmful to adults.

    So is the internet.

    To engage with either without risk, mental fortitute and maturity is required.

    You should inform the underpaid workers going insane moderating facebook that the pictures can't harm them. I'm sure their need for therapy will instantly vanish.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    This isn’t true.

    The internet has been around since the late 90s at the earliest…that’s when some kids started freely accessing adult content.

    When I was a kid…(and I grew up unsupervised and poor with one working parent - I was free range)…porn mags were like the holy grail. I literally didn’t see one until I was about 14 and I found one in somebodies forest fort. So think about that…not only could I not find a porn mag…but the person that had one had to go hiking to “use” it.

    I mean…we also had homophobic molester gym teachers teaching us health class…

    There’s got to be a workable happy medium between no access and no information - and everything always all the time to the max.

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    You said teens. I didn’t know you meant 18. Even if it wasn’t your topic…surely kids having access to hardcore porn, fetish scenarios, etcetc before they have access to sex ed isn’t optimal.

    Yeah…things are better, sex ed wise, then they were in the 80s. Miles better. That’s a great thing - but as I said above, sex-ed can’t keep up with what children are being exposed to. We’re not talking about Playboys and R-Rated movies here. 

    You didn’t really get my point, no. My point was that some children are being bombarded with sexual information from all angles, and it’s having unintended consequences. We essentially opened a new all-encompassing type of media and barely tried to regulate it.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    The question isn't whether having access to hardcore porn is harmful. The question is the relative degree of harm.

    When a web service can reliably distinguish between adult and child, it can specifically target content to either. Netflix can provide age-appropriate content to its users. That's great.

    Groomers can specifically target members of their desired audience. That's not so great. That's bad. That's really, really bad. That's much worse than kids finding hardcore pornography. And that degree of targeting is only possible with widespread age verification laws.

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