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Human experimentation, one way or the other. (lemmy.world)
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[–] 9 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Sources. You know. To show you're not a tool.

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  • [+] -13 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    I'm sure you can find some papers easily, I haven't looked into it in years but just from memory there are a few vectors from which problems can arise. The immune system produces antibodies and is responsible for ensuring that they are properly reactive. If this system becomes overactivated, some antibodies may slip through and target the own body, potentially leading to an autoimmune response. We also know that breastfeeding can transfer antibodies from mother to baby. Another consideration is the stability of mRNA production from fetal stem cells. In previous experiments, this process has often been unreliable or unstable. Also the virus mutates much more rapidly than many others, so priming the immune system against a specific variant may reduce its effectiveness against other variants or different viruses.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Sorry but no, this is not how it works. You claim things, you show proof of things. I don't look it up for you. Provide sources.

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Here's a few: https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q488 https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2025/12/myocarditis-vaccine-covid.html https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10108562/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9206826/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33866000/ https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/new-comprehensive-review-examines-potential-harms-of-covid-19-vaccination-and-intramuscular-vaccination https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M23-2956 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9021367/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22010283 https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2025.1501921/full

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7944975/ If not mistaken this study used by Pfizer to support its vaccine global safety, was conducted in Israel using data from Clalit Health Services. The methodology was flawed: Pfizer sponsored the study, the lead researcher had ties to the company, and there was no proper system to track side effects (unlike the U.S. VAERS system)

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    OK so... Here we are talking about myocarditis (at least in the first 2 articles listed), which is definitely not what you talked about in your first comment.

    In the article you mentioned, I quote

    “But COVID’s worse,” he added. A case of COVID-19 is about 10 times as likely to induce myocarditis as an mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccination, Wu said. That’s in addition to all the other trouble it causes.

    So the vaccine has a small chance to provoke myocarditis (with very fast recovery) and not taking the vaccine has a much higher chance of provoking the same effects plus others much worse, including death.

    Then, you list another article about possible autoimmune diseases induced by the vaccine. Again, not your intial topic. I'll quote the authors:

    Our objective is not to refute the importance of vaccines, but to raise awareness about the potential risks of COVID-19 vaccination. In fact, we believe that the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the possible risks and encourage people to get vaccinated

    Yeah. I won't go through all the list, but we get the picture. Nobody's saying to get vaccinated for fun. Every single sane person should definately be curious of mass vaccination campaigns. But it is important to carefully read studies and not jump to conclusions, be them in favour or against what we believe.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    No I can't find any papers easily on that subject. So show me.

    I bet you can't find sources at all either.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Listen pal, nobody is going to sift through a dozen research articles you dump without any citation.

    But just a cursory scan of the first article says .78/1000000 cases have the mentioned side effect and 1.2/1000000 have the other side effect. COVID mortality rate is something like 350x higher lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Life is full of risks. All medical procedures carry risks. The risk of having a serious side effect (like an allergic reaction) are less than .1% - that is a pretty low risk situation.

    You might experience chills, soreness at the injection site, temporary muscle pain. These mild side effects are more common - 10-30% of people may feel these.

    But, given the health risk of catching the virus. Especially now that it looks like catching covid multiple times is a bad idea. It isn't like flu, it appears that many people experience increased severity of symptoms, some people develop long covid (which is no joke), some people can develop long-term health problems that hit their respiratory system or cause long term cardiovascular problems or develop neurological problems.

    Please consider the long-term consequences of skipping vaccines.

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