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In 6 hours it will be illegal to say "I support Palestine Action" in the UK, with a sentence of up to 14 years in prison. (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Maybe neither should be banned? Also I'm not "supporting genocide", I just look at the casualty numbers and they're consistent with a war, not a genocide. The word "genocide" has been weaponized and that's rationalizing the use of violence which doesn't help anyone.

These "Palestine Action" idiots are not helping Palestinians in any way. They're narcissists doing vandalism to increase their standing within a internet small bubble. That's all they're doing.

You're reading words I've written, that's speech but apparently some people around here think that should be banned. Do you think words should be banned and vandalism by narcissists should be legal?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    It was just interesting, that in a post about people's speech being banned with legal consequences (14 years in prison) your first comment wasn't to protest that. But in a comment threatening speech with social consequences (a ban from a social media site) you were right in on protesting that.

    Once again, violence is already happening. All we can do now is quibble about who that violence is directed at.

    Would you prefer violence against Palestinian civilians, or some property?

    Summary:

    Speech is already being banned. Do you think supporting/ denying the genocide should be banned? Or acknowledging/protesting the genocide should be banned?

    Violence is already happening. Do you support the violence against Palestinian civilians. Or the violence against some planes.

    To answer your question, given the choice between a world with more vandalism or a world with more genocide: I'd take the world with more vandalism.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    I want the war to end. The only way the war ends is if Hamas releasing the hostages. If your protests were denouncing Hamas and calling upon them to release the hostages, then I might believe you care about Palestinians.

    But you don't really care about them. You're just using Palestinian civilians the same way Hamas does: sacrificing them to justify the existence of a violent group.

    There is a significant movement of Gazans protesting against Hamas rule. You admire these Palestine Action idiots, I admire Palestinians protesting against the oppressive Hamas government... in the middle of a war. Palestinians in Gaza struggle with forming and kind of opposition to Hamas because Hamas will torture people to death for speaking out against them.

    I look at the photo in article and I see a bunch of white kids cosplaying as Palestinians at a protest in a western country. Cultural appropriation of the suffering of people in a place they've never been to. Suffering they have no understanding of. You've probably never even heard of Palestinians being tortured by Hamas for speaking out or the Hamas attack on food distribution that happened just yesterday because you're in an internet bubble that bans anything that doesn't conform to a narrative.

    I respect actual Palestinians living in Gaza that protest against authoritarians. You respect some white kids living in an internet bubble that cosplay as Palestinians and vandalize shit. But go on believing you have some internet fabricated moral high ground just because you can spell the word "genocide".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Perhaps you responded to the wrong person. Here's what my comment stated and asked:

    Speech is being banned. Would you prefer speech supporting/denying genocide be banned? Or, speech protesting genocide be banned?

    Violence is already happening. Would you prefer violence be used to support genocide? Or, violence be used against planes in protest of genocide?

    Personally, I would prefer vandalism over genocide. Not a particularly tricky moral dilemma for me, weird question to have asked.

    Noteably, nothing about Hamas. You saw that right? Tilt at some other windmills.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    You're just creating false dichotomies left and right and straw-manning all over the place.

    Nobody is supporting genocide, that's just you straw-manning the opposition because you don't want to discuss the complexities of the issue.

    Violence is happening in a conflict you don't understand. You don't want to even talk about Hamas because it spoils your narrative. You can't to explain how creating violence in the west will result in the release of the hostages Hamas is holding. So you just avoid the subject. In fact your actions might encourage Hamas to hold out longer and that will prolong the suffering of Palestinians. Which is why I say you don't actually care about Palestinians.

    You don't want to understand the conflict you claim to care about because you only care about a bullshit internet narrative. Hamas is still holding hostages and the war will continue regardless of what you do. So as much as you try to frame it as genocide vs. vandalism, we all know that's complete bullshit. The vandalism will not impact what happens in this war (regardless of how you want to term it) so it's just people doing vandalism and ruining their lives to impress people on social media.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Once again. Speech is being banned. Only one of which was protested against in the comment I replied to: not the potential 14 years in prison, the banning from a niche part of a niche website. Not a false dichotomy. Nor is the violence choice a false dichotomy, it's pointing out the ridiculousness of complaining about vandalism under the shadow of genocide.

    You want to talk about straw Manning, ctrl+f my comment for Hamas please. If it comes back with zero result you should apologise.

    You don’t want to understand the conflict you claim to care about because you only care about a bullshit internet narrative.

    The arrogance of this sentence. Genuinely, be ashamed of yourself and apologise.

    Israel will continue the genocide no matter what I do, that's correct. But we, as a nation, don't need to support them... Hence the protests.

    Edit: as you believe I don't want to understand, I'm linking my usage of the word "genocide" to people you might believe do. Each link is different.

    I wonder if any Nazi said "your honour, we had to commit a genocide, the Allies had hostages" at the Nuremberg trials. Probably, a lot of nonsense was tried.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    You're talking about a war and you refuse to discuss one of the belligerents in that war. You refuse to even try to understand the conflict because actually looking into what Hamas has done and is currently doing means you have to think about reality and you prefer the sanitized propaganda over reality.

    Methinks this is why you want my speech to be banned. You want the world to be a simplified good guys vs. bad guys narrative so you can vandalize something and feel like you're on the good guy side.

    https://amnesty.ca/human-rights-news/palestine-hamas-targeting-protesters-gaza/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-humanitarian-foundation-says-two-its-us-aid-workers-injured-gaza-2025-07-05/

    I understand it may be upsetting that your friends are cosplaying as the people that do these kinds of things, but that's the reality of it. Your protests aren't going to influence Hamas to release the hostages. Nothing you say and do will change the actions of Hamas, especially if you continue to look the other way about their actions. Israel is not going to leave their people prisoners of Hamas. So nothing you say or do will change anything about this scenario. Link whatever you want to the word genocide, your actions are irrelevant because the monstrous actions of Hamas (which you pretend to ignore) made you irrelevant. You want people to listen to you, but why should anyone listen to you when you're so disconnected from reality?

    A non-violent resistance movement would successfully lead to a Palestinian state. Hamas fucks that up, these Palestine Action idiot also fuck that up too, but obviously on a much much smaller scale. You're hurting Palestinians because you treat them as pawns in your thirst for violence and destruction.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    No, I'm talking about a genocide. "Your honour, we had to commit a genocide, the Allies had prisoners!" -some Nazi in Nuremberg, probably.

    Correct, I won't engage in your "what aboutism" other than mocking it. I'm still waiting for your apologies. The links are different from each other, and the three above, perhaps you might think any of those responsible for writing those reports and articles want to understand the conflict.

    Maybe you'll learn why a rational person with all the facts you have, maybe even more facts than you have, would call it a genocide. Call it a lesson in empathy: all the same facts, different conclusion, still rational.

    Summary: The UK government have banned speech protesting their military support of a genocide. I think that's bad, both the banning of protest and the military support Isreal. Do you agree? If not what do you disagree with? The banning of protest in the UK? The banning of speech in the UK? The military support of Israel?

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