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A communist and an anarchist walk into a bar.. (lemmy.world)
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[–] 82 points 8 months ago (28 children)

And then he murders him after the revolution and everyone who visits his funeral.

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  • [+] -92 points 8 months ago (27 children)

    Yeah anarchists really do be like that, sided with the capitalists and all.

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  • [–] 89 points 8 months ago (24 children)

    > stupid opinion

    > check profile

    > .ml

    Every time.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    What's wrong with .ml?

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It is extremely heavily moderated in favor of communism, so it is a very big echo chamber. Everything seems very calm and respectable as long as you don’t dig too deep, because any dissenting opinions quickly get removed. So there isn’t a whole lot of argument that happens among .ml users. But checking the mod logs tells a very different story.

    Also, it’s the only instance that the lead Lemmy dev uses, so anyone who wants to stay up to date on lemmy’s development is forced to federate with .ml. There have also been some controversies about the dev putting dev donations towards running the instance, which ruffled a lot of feathers from people who want to support the dev but not the instance.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    I was all for the pro-communist bias, but I do agree it's an echo chamber that shuts down dissenting opinions. I was banned from a community for criticising China with depth, sadly many communists are wholly incapable of adequately addressing the real failures of China without passing it off as no big deal in an apologetic 1-2 liner at best (before proceeding to write paragraphs about how it's the US' fault and how other progressive countries "will be considered reactionary in the future", or some other dumb shit).

    Not to mention, actively supporting censorship (reframed as "defending communism"— incapable of realizing censorship is always justified with some moral reasoning that's irrelevant because there's nothing stopping it from censoring anything the ruling class dislike).

    The donations thing seems dumb though. You want to support the dev but not the instance?....weird.

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  • [+] -58 points 8 months ago* (20 children)

    Eat any good books recently?

    Try refuting what I say instead of turning to personal attacks.

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  • [–] 65 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    What can be asserted without evidence can be discarded without evidence.

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  • [+] -34 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Which is why mikas comment can be dismissed, and you're ignoring the personal attack.

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    So are we not counting the Bolsheviks as "communists" when they murdered their anarchist allies? Because they certainly said they were.

    https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/goldman/works/1922/bolsheviks-shooting-anarchists.html

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    So this came after the Bolshevik-Makhnovist conflict, where "After Nykyfor Hryhoriv mutinied against the Bolsheviks, tensions between the two factions culminated with the Makhnovists being declared outlaws and Makhno resigning his command within the Red Army." So they were consistently breaking agreements they'd made, refused to surrender and reintegrate with the Red Army to fight the greater Polish-Soviet war, and were thus declared outlaws. Not a great look imo.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Usually when you make a claim it's up to you to support it with some kind of evidence.

    Asking someone to refute something they disagree with is basically asking someone to prove a negative.

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  • [+] -25 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Very insightful, I think you were trying to reply to OC

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    It applies to both statements. Ideally they would have posted examples of anarchists who sided with leftist and were killed afterwards, and you would have cited examples of anarchist siding with capitalists and then being betrayed.

    Tbf there are probably examples of both scenarios, as anarchist by their own nature aren't exactly a unified political body.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Here’s my refute.

    A communist and an anarchist walk into a bar. The anarchist proceeds to get shithoused, then fights a bonehead. The commie discusses political philosophy and theory with their friends while this goes down, then criticizes the anarchist for “performative gestures” instead of strategizing for long term effective action. The anarchist has a few more shots, smokes a cigarette, and waits for the next bonehead to arrive. The commies leave after deciding on what their world will look like after the revolution but make no plans on how to kickoff the revolution.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The capitalist bar owner makes a killing over the whole thing, and they all do it again tomorrow

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago

    A killing? Whoever owns the shithole dive commies and anarchists hang out in is not making a killing slinging $1.50 PBRs and $3.50 wells. If the commie really has an issue with capitalism they could a) not patronize the bar, or b) actually attempt to seize the means of production from the corporate conglomerate that owns 99% of alcohol manufacturing. The problem is that those people are out of reach, the bar owner lives in town. I would wager that the bar owner is at best a tax bracket above the anarchist and communist, both of whom have jobs themselves despite philosophical issues with capitalism. If we’re going to keep punching within the same class, at least punch the bigots.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    What the fuck are you talking about. Look at what the USSR did to the Makhnovshchina. Anarchists have always been there for it, but the moment we cause a threat to the new ML power structure we are killed. No "Communist" country has truly followed the goal of Communism, a stateless classless society. They always get caught up in political struggle and power dynamics, falling right into the same authoritarian tendencies as any capitalist country.

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