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A communist and an anarchist walk into a bar.. (lemmy.world)
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[+] -58 points 8 months ago* (20 children)

Eat any good books recently?

Try refuting what I say instead of turning to personal attacks.

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  • [–] 65 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    What can be asserted without evidence can be discarded without evidence.

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  • [+] -34 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Which is why mikas comment can be dismissed, and you're ignoring the personal attack.

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    So are we not counting the Bolsheviks as "communists" when they murdered their anarchist allies? Because they certainly said they were.

    https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/goldman/works/1922/bolsheviks-shooting-anarchists.html

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    So this came after the Bolshevik-Makhnovist conflict, where "After Nykyfor Hryhoriv mutinied against the Bolsheviks, tensions between the two factions culminated with the Makhnovists being declared outlaws and Makhno resigning his command within the Red Army." So they were consistently breaking agreements they'd made, refused to surrender and reintegrate with the Red Army to fight the greater Polish-Soviet war, and were thus declared outlaws. Not a great look imo.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Usually when you make a claim it's up to you to support it with some kind of evidence.

    Asking someone to refute something they disagree with is basically asking someone to prove a negative.

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  • [+] -25 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Very insightful, I think you were trying to reply to OC

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    It applies to both statements. Ideally they would have posted examples of anarchists who sided with leftist and were killed afterwards, and you would have cited examples of anarchist siding with capitalists and then being betrayed.

    Tbf there are probably examples of both scenarios, as anarchist by their own nature aren't exactly a unified political body.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Here’s my refute.

    A communist and an anarchist walk into a bar. The anarchist proceeds to get shithoused, then fights a bonehead. The commie discusses political philosophy and theory with their friends while this goes down, then criticizes the anarchist for “performative gestures” instead of strategizing for long term effective action. The anarchist has a few more shots, smokes a cigarette, and waits for the next bonehead to arrive. The commies leave after deciding on what their world will look like after the revolution but make no plans on how to kickoff the revolution.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The capitalist bar owner makes a killing over the whole thing, and they all do it again tomorrow

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago

    A killing? Whoever owns the shithole dive commies and anarchists hang out in is not making a killing slinging $1.50 PBRs and $3.50 wells. If the commie really has an issue with capitalism they could a) not patronize the bar, or b) actually attempt to seize the means of production from the corporate conglomerate that owns 99% of alcohol manufacturing. The problem is that those people are out of reach, the bar owner lives in town. I would wager that the bar owner is at best a tax bracket above the anarchist and communist, both of whom have jobs themselves despite philosophical issues with capitalism. If we’re going to keep punching within the same class, at least punch the bigots.

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