If its not a victory then why are we here? If its not a victory then why are we still developing, testing, and printing? Do you even know what the signal is? Did everything come to a halt when he got arrested?

So according to you if you cut your arm and you don't die it's a victory? Well the fact that you didn't die is perhaps something to be happy about, but still losing the arm in the first place is worse than keeping it, so not really a victory.

Are you that weak in this that you don't expect casualties or sacrifice. If it was reported that he died would it change anything? Would your sentiments be any different?

It would be even more sad if he had died. Expecting something doesn't mean not being sad about them. We know everyone of us will die, yet we're still sad when people we love leave this world. Or when bad things happen to them.

I just explained to you why most places want this out of the way. It has nothing to do with crime or criminal element and it just went way past your head.

You didn't explain it, you just claimed "Those in power do things like this to stay in power and leave you vulnerable and dependent on their power." That's not an explanation. It wouldn't convince anyone who's not already convinced. Just like ze carioca's arrestation won't expose anything to anybody, because people have their own mental maps where these topics already have their explanations. And this arrestation fits their narrative, so nothing new here. Just a talented man in prison, a waste of talent.

Who is gonna carry on Carioca's work? I would assume any of us here unless you're afraid of some good ole sacrifice.

Man, 99% of the people care much more about their life and freedom than the signal. This is why those who spread it are seen as heros. This is why JStark is a martyr.

Reddit tried

Reddit succeeded at reducing dramatically the content and interactions on the topic. Yes there is this forum, and 3D2A, but there's much less interaction than before. And 3D2A is heavily censored. And it can be ditched by reddit at any time. Having your community decimated isn't a victory. A victory is where you make progress. Here went backwards in terms of output (I agree it's great we have this place but fosscad hat much more volume)

that you only pay attention to one aspect of it and call it a sad day

Yeah well it's a pretty significant aspect.

The forum hasn't gone packing. People are still working and still developing and the majority of the contributions are for free. Hoffman hasn't given up. PSR still doing his thing. California's lawsuit hasn't stopped anything.

Yeah ok, some things are like before. Business as usual is a victory?... And again example of cutting the arm and not dying.

If you can't see the victory in the signal then you should ask yourself why you are here.

I didn't talk about the signal I talked about ze carioca being arrested. The article is about ze carioca's arrestation, not the signal. I said ze carioca being arrested is sad. I didn't talk about the signal.

I believe in all this work for a greater cause and I'd hope there are many who believe the same way

I mean that's fantastic. But we're discussing something else: a man probably going to prison. It seems you're talking about all the rest being the same and calling it a victory....

I mean, if its just a phase and its all for nothing then yeah, we should all give up on this hobby because it would be pointless.

No one said that, we're just saying it's sad someone got arrested....

If the sacrifice isn't worth it then this is not the place

Oh so a sacrifice, I thought it was a victory now I'm confused. A sacrifice you lose something, a victory you win something, it's quite the opposite

Carioca didn't stop even as he was arrested

So like he'll continue the Japu in prison?

Smh, get out of your head bro, your overthinking this. A real human being gets their rights unjustly taken away for probably the rest of their life and you're calling it a victory...