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[+] TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] IronpigsWizard@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 child) Thank you for saying that. Ugh, "I didn't join the revolution to read" is such a dumb statement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] presoak@lazysoci.al 0 points 8 months ago Meh. Reading is over rated Now getting high, that's got substance permalink fedilink source parent [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -5 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) I mean, standing in the shoulders of giants and all that. May as well lean into the human ability to be more effective by learning from generations of experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) Unfortunately we have to live in the real world though. IMO anarchy will likely always be a direction rather than a position. I have a fearful inclination to belive that humans naturally form hierarchy and therefore we must learn how to mitigate that tendency. I can't imagine a better world appears from ignorance and vibes. It's hard for me to imagine anarchy existing without a culture that believes in it and knows how to execute on it. That'll take a lot of hard work and knowledge to produce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) A lack of rules feels more like libertarianism than anarchism. Hierarchy will form if you just sit around and let it. Don't you agree? The IT is basically whatever egalitarian system we know we can perpetuate. Being anti hierarchy is much more complex and active than just vibing it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Here are some starting points for ya lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire. The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren't the most stable. Now we've never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain. Though I'm starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Okay I've had an incling that you aren't arguing in good faith but now I'm convinced enough to say something. If you don't respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I'll be out of steam. The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] IronpigsWizard@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 child) Thank you for saying that. Ugh, "I didn't join the revolution to read" is such a dumb statement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] presoak@lazysoci.al 0 points 8 months ago Meh. Reading is over rated Now getting high, that's got substance permalink fedilink source parent
[–] presoak@lazysoci.al 0 points 8 months ago Meh. Reading is over rated Now getting high, that's got substance permalink fedilink source parent
[+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -5 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) I mean, standing in the shoulders of giants and all that. May as well lean into the human ability to be more effective by learning from generations of experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) Unfortunately we have to live in the real world though. IMO anarchy will likely always be a direction rather than a position. I have a fearful inclination to belive that humans naturally form hierarchy and therefore we must learn how to mitigate that tendency. I can't imagine a better world appears from ignorance and vibes. It's hard for me to imagine anarchy existing without a culture that believes in it and knows how to execute on it. That'll take a lot of hard work and knowledge to produce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) A lack of rules feels more like libertarianism than anarchism. Hierarchy will form if you just sit around and let it. Don't you agree? The IT is basically whatever egalitarian system we know we can perpetuate. Being anti hierarchy is much more complex and active than just vibing it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Here are some starting points for ya lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire. The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren't the most stable. Now we've never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain. Though I'm starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Okay I've had an incling that you aren't arguing in good faith but now I'm convinced enough to say something. If you don't respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I'll be out of steam. The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) I mean, standing in the shoulders of giants and all that. May as well lean into the human ability to be more effective by learning from generations of experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) Unfortunately we have to live in the real world though. IMO anarchy will likely always be a direction rather than a position. I have a fearful inclination to belive that humans naturally form hierarchy and therefore we must learn how to mitigate that tendency. I can't imagine a better world appears from ignorance and vibes. It's hard for me to imagine anarchy existing without a culture that believes in it and knows how to execute on it. That'll take a lot of hard work and knowledge to produce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) A lack of rules feels more like libertarianism than anarchism. Hierarchy will form if you just sit around and let it. Don't you agree? The IT is basically whatever egalitarian system we know we can perpetuate. Being anti hierarchy is much more complex and active than just vibing it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Here are some starting points for ya lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire. The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren't the most stable. Now we've never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain. Though I'm starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Okay I've had an incling that you aren't arguing in good faith but now I'm convinced enough to say something. If you don't respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I'll be out of steam. The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) Unfortunately we have to live in the real world though. IMO anarchy will likely always be a direction rather than a position. I have a fearful inclination to belive that humans naturally form hierarchy and therefore we must learn how to mitigate that tendency. I can't imagine a better world appears from ignorance and vibes. It's hard for me to imagine anarchy existing without a culture that believes in it and knows how to execute on it. That'll take a lot of hard work and knowledge to produce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) A lack of rules feels more like libertarianism than anarchism. Hierarchy will form if you just sit around and let it. Don't you agree? The IT is basically whatever egalitarian system we know we can perpetuate. Being anti hierarchy is much more complex and active than just vibing it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Here are some starting points for ya lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire. The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren't the most stable. Now we've never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain. Though I'm starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Okay I've had an incling that you aren't arguing in good faith but now I'm convinced enough to say something. If you don't respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I'll be out of steam. The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) Unfortunately we have to live in the real world though. IMO anarchy will likely always be a direction rather than a position. I have a fearful inclination to belive that humans naturally form hierarchy and therefore we must learn how to mitigate that tendency. I can't imagine a better world appears from ignorance and vibes. It's hard for me to imagine anarchy existing without a culture that believes in it and knows how to execute on it. That'll take a lot of hard work and knowledge to produce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) A lack of rules feels more like libertarianism than anarchism. Hierarchy will form if you just sit around and let it. Don't you agree? The IT is basically whatever egalitarian system we know we can perpetuate. Being anti hierarchy is much more complex and active than just vibing it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Here are some starting points for ya lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire. The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren't the most stable. Now we've never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain. Though I'm starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Okay I've had an incling that you aren't arguing in good faith but now I'm convinced enough to say something. If you don't respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I'll be out of steam. The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) Unfortunately we have to live in the real world though. IMO anarchy will likely always be a direction rather than a position. I have a fearful inclination to belive that humans naturally form hierarchy and therefore we must learn how to mitigate that tendency. I can't imagine a better world appears from ignorance and vibes. It's hard for me to imagine anarchy existing without a culture that believes in it and knows how to execute on it. That'll take a lot of hard work and knowledge to produce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) A lack of rules feels more like libertarianism than anarchism. Hierarchy will form if you just sit around and let it. Don't you agree? The IT is basically whatever egalitarian system we know we can perpetuate. Being anti hierarchy is much more complex and active than just vibing it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Here are some starting points for ya lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire. The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren't the most stable. Now we've never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain. Though I'm starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Okay I've had an incling that you aren't arguing in good faith but now I'm convinced enough to say something. If you don't respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I'll be out of steam. The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Hi cowbee! Hope you're doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I'm not gonna debate it really, I'm just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) Unfortunately we have to live in the real world though. IMO anarchy will likely always be a direction rather than a position. I have a fearful inclination to belive that humans naturally form hierarchy and therefore we must learn how to mitigate that tendency. I can't imagine a better world appears from ignorance and vibes. It's hard for me to imagine anarchy existing without a culture that believes in it and knows how to execute on it. That'll take a lot of hard work and knowledge to produce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) A lack of rules feels more like libertarianism than anarchism. Hierarchy will form if you just sit around and let it. Don't you agree? The IT is basically whatever egalitarian system we know we can perpetuate. Being anti hierarchy is much more complex and active than just vibing it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Here are some starting points for ya lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire. The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren't the most stable. Now we've never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain. Though I'm starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Okay I've had an incling that you aren't arguing in good faith but now I'm convinced enough to say something. If you don't respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I'll be out of steam. The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) A lack of rules feels more like libertarianism than anarchism. Hierarchy will form if you just sit around and let it. Don't you agree? The IT is basically whatever egalitarian system we know we can perpetuate. Being anti hierarchy is much more complex and active than just vibing it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Here are some starting points for ya lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire. The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren't the most stable. Now we've never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain. Though I'm starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Okay I've had an incling that you aren't arguing in good faith but now I'm convinced enough to say something. If you don't respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I'll be out of steam. The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) A lack of rules feels more like libertarianism than anarchism. Hierarchy will form if you just sit around and let it. Don't you agree? The IT is basically whatever egalitarian system we know we can perpetuate. Being anti hierarchy is much more complex and active than just vibing it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Here are some starting points for ya lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire. The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren't the most stable. Now we've never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain. Though I'm starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Okay I've had an incling that you aren't arguing in good faith but now I'm convinced enough to say something. If you don't respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I'll be out of steam. The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Here are some starting points for ya lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire. The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren't the most stable. Now we've never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain. Though I'm starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Okay I've had an incling that you aren't arguing in good faith but now I'm convinced enough to say something. If you don't respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I'll be out of steam. The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Here are some starting points for ya lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire. The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren't the most stable. Now we've never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain. Though I'm starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Okay I've had an incling that you aren't arguing in good faith but now I'm convinced enough to say something. If you don't respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I'll be out of steam. The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Okay I've had an incling that you aren't arguing in good faith but now I'm convinced enough to say something. If you don't respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I'll be out of steam. The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Okay I've had an incling that you aren't arguing in good faith but now I'm convinced enough to say something. If you don't respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I'll be out of steam. The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago I'll take that as a response. "See that's the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don't. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be 'in the know' about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. " This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level. Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you'd have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn't that put you 'in the know'? Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong. permalink fedilink source parent