▲ 215 ▼ Turn off all AI with one click (lemmy.world) submitted 8 months ago by gedaliyah@lemmy.world to c/firefox@lemmy.world 45 comments fedilink hide all child comments Noticed this in 148.0 for desktop
[–] IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip 117 points 8 months ago (24 children) Broken record chiming in: it should be opt-in, not opt-out. permalink fedilink source hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] KindnessisPunk@piefed.ca 7 points 8 months ago Even a opt-in question during set up would be acceptable permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sv443@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago For the other softwares it's opt-go-fuck-yourself, so I'll take an opt-out. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (9 children) I chose to opt out of having Firefox installed. Gave me an opportunity to use the very satisfying but rarely used apt purge function. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 8 months ago (8 children) Waterfox or Librewolf or what you trying now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (7 children) Librewolf, but also have Floorp and Vivaldi installed. How's Waterfox going these days? Feel like I haven't looked at that in ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago (3 children) I havent used it myself but a buddy of mine is really liking it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (2 children) I dig their stance. https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 8 months ago Waterfox did better consumer advocacy in a single blog post than the entire multimillion-dollar Mozilla Foundation has pumped out over the past two years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago Oh nice, that good to hear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) i liked waterfox until it completely forgot my 2x 50+ tabs windows. yes i know "recently closed windows", they weren't there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Then that was a "private" window permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago nope, regular tabs. they were fine until they weren't permalink fedilink source parent [+] Feyd@programming.dev 14 points 8 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago I'd like to choose to opt out of Firefox spending donation money on features the community explicitly states that they do NOT want permalink fedilink source parent [–] XLE@piefed.social 10 points 8 months ago (7 children) If Mozilla didn't pester you with notifications about AI tab grouping and AI page summaries, congratulations. It's still sapped limited time and resources away from fixing bugs and implementing features that aren't as controversial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Auth@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) They've commented on this. The time spent on this did not "take away from time spent on other things". The features were worked on by a few people who wanted to build those features. From a Mozilla employee in a hacker news thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) So Mozilla did not pay the people that worked on, tested, and approved these features? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Auth@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago I actually couldnt find any public info to back up my comment so maybe a HN comment wasnt enough to go off. But Idk if announcing they partnered with OpenAI to integrate it would even improve things given their current actions. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Feyd@programming.dev -4 points 8 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 8 months ago* (1 child) The opposite of pro-AI isn't anti-AI. It's non-AI. Mozilla has a community forum to solicit feedback. Nobody used it to ask for AI. Instead, Mozilla repeatedly used it to announce they were going to push AI features on their community. People aren't converting to Mozilla because it has AI. They were never going to convert to Mozilla because they added a shopping toolbar, either. These are things that should have never been put into the browser. They're certainly alienating their existing users by trying to bleed them dry, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] emmy67@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* Isn't that what add on are for? permalink fedilink source parent [–] NightFantom@slrpnk.net 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) You also don't use an adblocker I guess? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] KindnessisPunk@piefed.ca 7 points 8 months ago Even a opt-in question during set up would be acceptable permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sv443@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago For the other softwares it's opt-go-fuck-yourself, so I'll take an opt-out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (9 children) I chose to opt out of having Firefox installed. Gave me an opportunity to use the very satisfying but rarely used apt purge function. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 8 months ago (8 children) Waterfox or Librewolf or what you trying now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (7 children) Librewolf, but also have Floorp and Vivaldi installed. How's Waterfox going these days? Feel like I haven't looked at that in ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago (3 children) I havent used it myself but a buddy of mine is really liking it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (2 children) I dig their stance. https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 8 months ago Waterfox did better consumer advocacy in a single blog post than the entire multimillion-dollar Mozilla Foundation has pumped out over the past two years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago Oh nice, that good to hear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) i liked waterfox until it completely forgot my 2x 50+ tabs windows. yes i know "recently closed windows", they weren't there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Then that was a "private" window permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago nope, regular tabs. they were fine until they weren't permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 8 months ago (8 children) Waterfox or Librewolf or what you trying now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (7 children) Librewolf, but also have Floorp and Vivaldi installed. How's Waterfox going these days? Feel like I haven't looked at that in ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago (3 children) I havent used it myself but a buddy of mine is really liking it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (2 children) I dig their stance. https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 8 months ago Waterfox did better consumer advocacy in a single blog post than the entire multimillion-dollar Mozilla Foundation has pumped out over the past two years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago Oh nice, that good to hear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) i liked waterfox until it completely forgot my 2x 50+ tabs windows. yes i know "recently closed windows", they weren't there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Then that was a "private" window permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago nope, regular tabs. they were fine until they weren't permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (7 children) Librewolf, but also have Floorp and Vivaldi installed. How's Waterfox going these days? Feel like I haven't looked at that in ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago (3 children) I havent used it myself but a buddy of mine is really liking it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (2 children) I dig their stance. https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 8 months ago Waterfox did better consumer advocacy in a single blog post than the entire multimillion-dollar Mozilla Foundation has pumped out over the past two years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago Oh nice, that good to hear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) i liked waterfox until it completely forgot my 2x 50+ tabs windows. yes i know "recently closed windows", they weren't there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Then that was a "private" window permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago nope, regular tabs. they were fine until they weren't permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago (3 children) I havent used it myself but a buddy of mine is really liking it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (2 children) I dig their stance. https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 8 months ago Waterfox did better consumer advocacy in a single blog post than the entire multimillion-dollar Mozilla Foundation has pumped out over the past two years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago Oh nice, that good to hear. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (2 children) I dig their stance. https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 8 months ago Waterfox did better consumer advocacy in a single blog post than the entire multimillion-dollar Mozilla Foundation has pumped out over the past two years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago Oh nice, that good to hear. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 8 months ago Waterfox did better consumer advocacy in a single blog post than the entire multimillion-dollar Mozilla Foundation has pumped out over the past two years. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago Oh nice, that good to hear. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) i liked waterfox until it completely forgot my 2x 50+ tabs windows. yes i know "recently closed windows", they weren't there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Then that was a "private" window permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago nope, regular tabs. they were fine until they weren't permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Then that was a "private" window permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago nope, regular tabs. they were fine until they weren't permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago nope, regular tabs. they were fine until they weren't permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Feyd@programming.dev 14 points 8 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago I'd like to choose to opt out of Firefox spending donation money on features the community explicitly states that they do NOT want permalink fedilink source parent [–] XLE@piefed.social 10 points 8 months ago (7 children) If Mozilla didn't pester you with notifications about AI tab grouping and AI page summaries, congratulations. It's still sapped limited time and resources away from fixing bugs and implementing features that aren't as controversial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Auth@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) They've commented on this. The time spent on this did not "take away from time spent on other things". The features were worked on by a few people who wanted to build those features. From a Mozilla employee in a hacker news thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) So Mozilla did not pay the people that worked on, tested, and approved these features? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Auth@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago I actually couldnt find any public info to back up my comment so maybe a HN comment wasnt enough to go off. But Idk if announcing they partnered with OpenAI to integrate it would even improve things given their current actions. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Feyd@programming.dev -4 points 8 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 8 months ago* (1 child) The opposite of pro-AI isn't anti-AI. It's non-AI. Mozilla has a community forum to solicit feedback. Nobody used it to ask for AI. Instead, Mozilla repeatedly used it to announce they were going to push AI features on their community. People aren't converting to Mozilla because it has AI. They were never going to convert to Mozilla because they added a shopping toolbar, either. These are things that should have never been put into the browser. They're certainly alienating their existing users by trying to bleed them dry, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] emmy67@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* Isn't that what add on are for? permalink fedilink source parent [–] NightFantom@slrpnk.net 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) You also don't use an adblocker I guess? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago I'd like to choose to opt out of Firefox spending donation money on features the community explicitly states that they do NOT want permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 10 points 8 months ago (7 children) If Mozilla didn't pester you with notifications about AI tab grouping and AI page summaries, congratulations. It's still sapped limited time and resources away from fixing bugs and implementing features that aren't as controversial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Auth@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) They've commented on this. The time spent on this did not "take away from time spent on other things". The features were worked on by a few people who wanted to build those features. From a Mozilla employee in a hacker news thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) So Mozilla did not pay the people that worked on, tested, and approved these features? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Auth@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago I actually couldnt find any public info to back up my comment so maybe a HN comment wasnt enough to go off. But Idk if announcing they partnered with OpenAI to integrate it would even improve things given their current actions. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Feyd@programming.dev -4 points 8 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 8 months ago* (1 child) The opposite of pro-AI isn't anti-AI. It's non-AI. Mozilla has a community forum to solicit feedback. Nobody used it to ask for AI. Instead, Mozilla repeatedly used it to announce they were going to push AI features on their community. People aren't converting to Mozilla because it has AI. They were never going to convert to Mozilla because they added a shopping toolbar, either. These are things that should have never been put into the browser. They're certainly alienating their existing users by trying to bleed them dry, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] emmy67@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* Isn't that what add on are for? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auth@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) They've commented on this. The time spent on this did not "take away from time spent on other things". The features were worked on by a few people who wanted to build those features. From a Mozilla employee in a hacker news thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) So Mozilla did not pay the people that worked on, tested, and approved these features? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Auth@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago I actually couldnt find any public info to back up my comment so maybe a HN comment wasnt enough to go off. But Idk if announcing they partnered with OpenAI to integrate it would even improve things given their current actions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) So Mozilla did not pay the people that worked on, tested, and approved these features? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Auth@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago I actually couldnt find any public info to back up my comment so maybe a HN comment wasnt enough to go off. But Idk if announcing they partnered with OpenAI to integrate it would even improve things given their current actions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auth@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago I actually couldnt find any public info to back up my comment so maybe a HN comment wasnt enough to go off. But Idk if announcing they partnered with OpenAI to integrate it would even improve things given their current actions. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Feyd@programming.dev -4 points 8 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 8 months ago* (1 child) The opposite of pro-AI isn't anti-AI. It's non-AI. Mozilla has a community forum to solicit feedback. Nobody used it to ask for AI. Instead, Mozilla repeatedly used it to announce they were going to push AI features on their community. People aren't converting to Mozilla because it has AI. They were never going to convert to Mozilla because they added a shopping toolbar, either. These are things that should have never been put into the browser. They're certainly alienating their existing users by trying to bleed them dry, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] emmy67@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* Isn't that what add on are for? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 8 months ago* (1 child) The opposite of pro-AI isn't anti-AI. It's non-AI. Mozilla has a community forum to solicit feedback. Nobody used it to ask for AI. Instead, Mozilla repeatedly used it to announce they were going to push AI features on their community. People aren't converting to Mozilla because it has AI. They were never going to convert to Mozilla because they added a shopping toolbar, either. These are things that should have never been put into the browser. They're certainly alienating their existing users by trying to bleed them dry, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* Isn't that what add on are for? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NightFantom@slrpnk.net 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) You also don't use an adblocker I guess? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)