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Party like it's 1922 20th Century History (media.piefed.social)
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[–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

Lenin sent Stalin to Ukraine to do what was necessary to get the grain. Unless I’m misremembering.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I think your timeline is a little mixed up. To my memory Stalin wasn't involved with Ukraine at all (except passing through when he had his taste of military service against the Poles) during Lenin's lifetime. That was like, 1921 or so. Stalin was a bit-player at the time. Lenin died in 1924.

    The Holodomor happened around 1932.

    Lenin did cause food shortages by grain seizures, but, again, to my memory, Stalin was not a key part of that. And Lenin's grain seizures weren't focused on Ukraine, nor as idiotic and arbitrary as Stalin's. Just callous, feeding the Red Army during the Russian Civil War at the expense of the starvation of workers and peasants.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    It’s possible, it’s been a good few years since I read up on it all.

    I’ve got a copy of Red Famine on my nightstand so might give it a go again.

    What my intention was to say though was that Lenin’s hands certainly weren’t clean in Ukraine and that the famines started early and lead up to Holodomor, started with Lenin as a result of his choices for the fledging Soviet and continued with Stalin with his hatred of Ukraine.

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