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[+] -7 points 8 months ago (10 children)

Does this work both ways? If Cuba can do it, then AI companies can do it too? Or are we just gonna keep running with the double standards?

I frankly never quite understood why so many piracy advocates lose their minds when AI companies do the exact same thing they do. I don't buy the "but it's for profit" argument either - downloading movies, games, or apps does the exact same thing. There's no practical difference between saving money and earning money.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    Does this work both ways? If Cuba can do it, then AI companies can do it too?

    No, because we make such deferences out of empathy and social awareness, which is a thing for humans. Clankers, by definition, can deserve no empathy.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

    why are you asking questions backwards if tote already answered?

    a company is not a person, the only benefit a company can get from it is PROFIT and the value a real human being gets from pirating varies from pure entertainment to cultural capital

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    What you get from pirating is not having to pay. Purchasing a movie still gives you the same entertainment and cultural capital.

    Nobody is obligated to hand out for free something they put time, effort, and capital into creating and running. If someone can justify to themselves that it's okay to download it for free, then criticizing AI companies for doing the exact same thing is hypocritical on their part.

    Making money and saving money achieve exactly the same thing: you end up with more to spend.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah because saving money as an individual is the same as a company choosing to not pay copyright holders so they can make more profit from pirating petabytes of info

    Very clever, you are clearly very intelligent

    Let me put an /s just so this doesn't go over your head too

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Company is run by individuals.

    I have no idea why you need to start insulting me now.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Despite being run by individuals I think there's at least some amount of difference between pirating a book to read it and pirating all books in existance to make copius amount of profits.

    Not arguing for any moral superiority here, just pointing the difference.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    But in both cases you have the option to pay - yet choose not to. If money wasn't an issue, there wouldn't really be any reason to pirate anything. That's why I see piracy as a financial decision, and thus I don't think piracy advocates have any ground to stand on when they criticize AI companies for doing the exact same thing. It's not identical, but it's equivalent.

    One could even argue that individual piracy is selfish because it only benefits the one person doing it. AI companies at least are providing a product that hundreds of millions of people get value out of - and the vast majority of them get it for free.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    There's no practical difference between saving money and earning money.

    Oh, cool, so that means that I can pay my rent, utilities, etc. by torrenting. Where's my fucking check?!

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I didn't think I'd need to explain the difference between saving money and earning money but here we are.

    When you earn money, you get a check you can spend on more stuff. When you save money, you don't get a check - that would be earning, not saving. Instead, you're spending less, which means you have that money left to buy something else. Those savings are effectively what you "earn."

    When you download a $40 movie for free, you're left with $40 more to spend on something else. It doesn't matter whether I hand you $40 to buy the movie or you pirate it - in both cases, you end up with the exact same amount of money afterward.

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