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AMD Risks a Hefty 20% of Its Company To Enter Into 'Mega' AI Deals, With the Latest Venture Tied to a Meta Agreement for Next-Gen Infrastructure (wccftech.com)
submitted 8 months ago by to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca
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Well kiss any sense of getting a new GPU or Processor good bye.

Fuck AI.

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[–] 28 points 8 months ago (22 children)

Imagine if the bubble pops and simply all these companies go bankrupt (because the shares are all tied by these mega deals), will there be ANY computing means available?

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (16 children)

    If shares drop enough, another company with cash on hand buys them.

    Shares aren't revenue. The bubble pops, investors lose money, companies go back to selling PC components.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    The problem is that the current production is for stuff that can't really be used as consumer equipment.

    If enough of the world's component production capacity is dedicated to AI specific components, then when the bubble pops there won't be anything to sell to consumers for months which could cause the manufacturers to go under.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    They'll retool and start making what's profitable.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    That takes time and money, though.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Well I bet they have both of these.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Not if they've bet the farm on income from AI hardware sales.

    The agreements being made aren't for existing stock; they're for the total future production capacity. If the manufacturer produces a shit ton of AI hardware and the bubble pops, they're left with unusable inventory and nothing left to put on shelves. It's a fundamental flaw in JIT manufacturing.

    This isn't excusing anything. The manufacturers are being extremely short sighted to the point of negligence and it's probably going to backfire on them. But if they go down it'll greatly impact consumer hardware production, likely for years.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago* (8 children)

    Except by the time they do that there are already new Chinese competitors selling those components to their old customers.

    Chinese RAM is already out and being tested. How long before they have viable products in the marketplace? Especially considering that they aren't really competing with anyone at the moment. Do you think people are going to suddenly switch back to spending 4x as much for American RAM once they are already happy with using this new shit?

    How long before its processors and video cards?

    You don't get customers back after you exit an industry unless you are offering a competitive price or something that no one else is offering.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

    That's a definite possibility. But the op proposed that PC component vendors stock price would drop and therefore no one would build PC parts.

    Chinese companies could fill the void if Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron are slow to switch back. But there is no situation where companies simply stop taking money. However I believe that after the bubble pops, ram prices will not go back to the same price they were last year. Everyone will have to pay more and Chinese companies will be happy to take that extra money too.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (6 children)

    I want you to think about these two statements that you made:

    But there is no situation where companies simply stop taking money.

    But the op proposed that PC component vendors stock would drop and therefore no one would build PC parts.

    These cannot both be true. PC Component vendors will NOT stop selling parts and customers will NOT stop building PCs because that is leaving money on the table. They will source components from whoever will sell them at whatever price they can get. That is what WILL happen.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

    If my statements are in conflict then explain a situation where all companies, Chinese or otherwise, refuse to make consumer ram after the AI bubble pops?

    PC Component vendors will NOT stop selling parts and customers will NOT stop building PCs because that is leaving money on the table.

    ???? I am baffled by your rebuttal because that was exactly my claim.

    It was the OP who claimed that a stock price drop would cause companies to stop making all ram of any type.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    Start your next comment with three question marks if I am correct about everything I said and you consent to have your body experimented on for potential use as the skin of a new line of sex robots.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    ??? What exactly did I change? I'm always going back and fixing typos and adding clarification because people always nitpick if you don't write a paragraph explaining the definition of every word.

    I certainly didn't change the meaning.

    I agreed with your claim that Chinese could take over but reiterated my original claim that the OP's idea that no one anywhere would make ram was wrong.

    If I remember correctly what I added was a statement that agreed with your claim about the Chinese so my reply wouldn't appear to be combative. But even without that addition, there was no way to read my statement into whatever you imagined.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    "To big to fail" just like US automakers and banks.

    The US government is bullshit.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I will be glad it's just the US taxpayers that will pay for this mess this time if that is the case. You make this mess, you pay for it. Maybe you could have voted for someone that would regulate the markets a bit better.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 8 months ago*

    Come on, you know damn well that if the bubble pops, the global taxpayers will be bailing them and the rest of the affected companies out with direct payments just like the last global crash caused by corporations.

    Executive bonuses and buy backs for corporations and austerity for the working man who just wants to play a video game is always the plan.

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