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[–] 87 points 8 months ago (26 children)

No, because Hitler started second world war which resulted in 60-70 million deaths.

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    And also because he lost said war.

    Had he won, different narative!

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Hitler and Nazi Germany have been lionized unlike the others because it makes the countries that beat them look better.

    In reality they were stupid racist weirdos who were constantly infighting. But that doesn’t make beating them sound heroic.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    I wouldn't call people who came up with the first production cruise missile stupid (or first production jet fighter). Don't underestimate the enemy

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (9 children)

    Yes they were quite good at building targets for the RAF and British anti-air gunners. Nice and loud, slow, and flew in a perfectly straight line.

    They also came up with the first ballistic missile but it killed more people in production than it did when deployed.

    Half the designs from Paperclip were basically unusable, and mainly existed as fake projects to convince Hitler and later the Allies that they were worth keeping around.

    Not to mention their obsession with wonder weapons wasted tons of material on things that just wouldn’t work. And how they never built a heavy bomber because they were obsessed with making it a dive bomber.

    They were absolutely idiots, and the more I learn about them the stupider they get. They invaded Russia in the winter for Christ’s sake! They waited to tell Hitler about Normandy because it was too early in the morning! They’re so dumb!

    Also; They’re not the enemy anymore because their dumbasses lost, so I can call them dumb.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I think one description that fits for them is "too smart for their own good."

    All that wasted manpower and resources and building massive tanks and incredibly intricate guns that never quite worked properly.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago*

    I think their true stupidity was their organization and leadership. A shitty plane or gun or tank would get made because the higher-ups wanted it.

    And the fascist idea that competition will inevitably produce the best results - social/technical Darwinism, essentially - meant that the design team that could be pushier and flashier would win over actually good designs.

    Plus they kicked out or imprisoned hundreds of great scientists because they were from undesirable classes, further hamstringing their technology.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Also; They’re not the enemy anymore because their dumbasses lost, so I can call them dumb.

    I'm talking in general. Obv nazi germany hasn't existed for a long time. It's better to overestimate than underestimate imo

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    True, but that doesn’t explain why the History Channel made a bunch of breathless documentaries about the power of the Nazis fifty years after they were defeated

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Aren't those the same guys that love dipping into conspiracy territory when it's late enough? Then the answer is money

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    You also have video games and movies and books making the Nazis out to be way more competent. It’s not like Wolfenstein ended with a drugged-up syphilitic Hitler cowering in a bunker, but a mecha-Hitler with Gatling guns.

    And it made money because of what I mentioned: It made Americans and Brits and Russians feel like they’d defeated a huge monster, not a country full of amphetamines and vibes.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Hey just gonna point out that invading Russia in the winter would actually be the second best season to do it, since Russia has 4 seasons spring (mud), summer, fall (mud), and winter (really cold) frankly speaking the mud is what fucked the Nazis over more than anything else since it bogged them down completely.

    Napoleon was the one who basically got shit canned by the winter since modern logistics didn't exist yet and the Russians destroyed all the food while in retreat allowing winter to finish off the attrition.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Hitler is the big evil no doubt about it. The allies was not innocent either many promised people from their colonies but never intended to respect it. If hitler did not declare war on them they would have let hitler exterminate the jews

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Yes, that's what 'second world war' means. Do you think it's any different now with m*scovia?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    The way the war was described was the perfect good caring allies was fighting the evil Hitler. Of course Hitler and the axis was the worse but the allies wasn't good either.

    One of the worse thing the allies did was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I've never argued that allies were *good* soviets hated jews as much as nazis, and killed people en masse for breathing wrong way.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    of Europeans, that's the point.

    Churchill was responsible for the Bengal famine that kill up to 3.8 million civilians. but they weren't white, so it is not taught in history

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    Hmm yes accidentally contributing to a famine of 3.8 million casualties because of wartime shortages is comparable to the 60 to 70 million attributed to the guy that fucking started the war in the first place and also systematically executed 6 million of his own citizens and of neighboring countries and enslaved millions more.

    Look I'm sure Churchill was a right wanker but the specific cultural ethnicities of dead people is not why Hitler is demonized more than him.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    All Hitler did was apply European colonialism to Europe. not that different than what Europe was doing for centuries. that is a fact. Europe wasn't a group of good guys until bad Germany appeared. they were all busy with that colonial bullshit.

    Are you telling me that the European led ethnic cleansing of the the Americas for territorial expansion isn't lebensraum?

    I'm am definitely not trying to push nazi appologia by saying "they were all bad", just that we can't ignore the horrors those allied nations committeed as well. Hitler imported a lot of his racism from the US. it's always nations fucking the world, making the people suffer, then the victors painting themselves as heroes and beacons of civilization.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    "accidentally contributing"

    Imagine the food that you grew taken away from you to make rations for the same colonial forces that have subdued your people, and call it an accident.

    Civilians of a fertile land in a no-war zone were starved to death, arguably one of the most terrible way to go. I am not even going to quote the racist letter in reply to when he was informed of the starving people. Need I point out that Churchill is not universally vilified in the UK? So yes this meme does make sense, just not in the way you think.

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