Catoblepas comments on modern fascism

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Guy watching fascists use new tech to set the world on fire: you’re just scared of how great this is!

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[–] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

I like how people treat these data centers magically different from the same shit we've been doing for like 40 years now.

As if suddenly now its a big deal.

The best part is the same people will use literally any type of AWS backed system and pretend its not just as bad for the environment.

People are too bad at math to go realize there's like forty other things they do in normal day-to-day life that's just as bad, if not worse, for the environment that jacks up their carbon footprint, as if AI is a big deal.

If you:

use amazon
use netflix
eat red meat
drive a gas powered vehicle of any kind
drive an electric vehicle that you dont charge via renewables
use an electric stove
Eat fast food

And many many other things, then any of those things are way bigger carbon footprints than a person fucking around with an LLM for an hour or two.

And if you try and act high and mighty about how bad AI is and how bad people are for using it, and proceed to do multiple of the things above, you are a massive hypocrite and an asshole, full stop. Go fix your own shit before judging others.

I dont drive my car to work, grow my own food, take fairly cold showers, avoid eating fast food, and am getting solar panels added to my home, so statistically speaking even using an LLM many times per day my carbon footprint is a fraction of other peoples, so kindly fuck off :)

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[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

The best part is the same people will use literally any type of AWS backed system and pretend its not just as bad for the environment.

The people at MIT know way more about this than either of us.

This isn’t simply the norm of a digital world. It’s unique to AI, and a marked departure from Big Tech’s electricity appetite in the recent past. From 2005 to 2017, the amount of electricity going to data centers remained quite flat thanks to increases in efficiency, despite the construction of armies of new data centers to serve the rise of cloud-based online services, from Facebook to Netflix. In 2017, AI began to change everything. Data centers started getting built with energy-intensive hardware designed for AI, which led them to double their electricity consumption by 2023. The latest reports show that 4.4% of all the energy in the US now goes toward data centers.

I am not okay with forever increasing the amount of non renewable energy we spend on a product that is 99% hype.

If you: - use amazon - use netflix - eat red meat - drive a gas powered vehicle of any kind - drive an electric vehicle that you dont charge via renewables - use an electric stove - Eat fast food

I realize I am a huge outlier here, but I haven’t done/owned any of those things for anywhere from years to decades, lmao. I logged nearly 1800 miles on public transit last year.

Go fix your own shit before judging others.

Oops, now what? How many carbon saving morality points do I need to accrue to point out that you clearly realize there is an environmental impact by defensively listing all the environmentally friendly things you do?

Turn the heat up on your shower and walk away from the AI, it’ll put you in a better mood.

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[–] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago

Nah you specifically 100% are justified to gripe about it now, good work tbh.

You are demonstrating self awareness in avoiding hypocrisy, so yeah, you actually are walking the walk and thus get to talk the talk.

Its people that dont put in the work who still complain while simultaneously doing things 100x worse that are absolutely hypocrites.

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