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He made beer that’s also a vaccine. Now controversy is brewing (www.sciencenews.org)
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Buck’s body made antibodies against several types of the virus after drinking the beer and he suffered no ill effects, he and his brother Andrew Buck reported December 17 at the data sharing platform Zenodo.org, along with colleagues from NIH and Vilnius University in Lithuania. Andrew and other family members have also consumed the beer with no ill effects, he says. The Buck brothers posted a method for making vaccine beer December 17 at Zenodo.org. Chris Buck announced both publications in his blog Viruses Must Die on the online publishing platform Substack, but neither has been peer-reviewed by other scientists.

A second ethics committee at the NIH objected to Buck posting the manuscripts to the preprint server bioRxiv.org because of the self-experiment. Buck wrote a rebuttal to the committee’s comments but was loathe to wait for its blessing before sharing the data. “The bureaucracy is inhibiting the science, and that’s unacceptable to me,” he says. “One week of people dying from not knowing about this is not trivial.”

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[–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

Running a study that's unethical

You're assuming the conclusion though -- that it's unethical. The argument here is that he tested it on himself specifically in order not to endanger others -- as that would be unethical.

I'd respectfully disagree it is analagous to the "vaccines cause autism" situation. This is trying to claim a potential beneficial medical procedure, not to sow fear or distrust in a long-standing, proven medical practice. And there's nothing in the article that says he is resisting others attempting to confirm or refute his work.

In the spirit of the scientific method, hopefully other scientists try to reproduce the results then it'll get corroboration, or be shot down.

If the brews contain only safe test viruses, it should ethically be a safe experiment. Test for antibodies before and after ingestion to the innocuous viruses and the mechanism is proven or disproven.

Again, he's doing exactly the same thing that scientist that experimented on himself to test if H. Pylori was responsible for peptic ulcers. If he Darwin-Awards himself, that's very unfortunate, but so long as mild, innocuous test viruses are being used, he's not endangering anyone else (I certainly hope he did this with 'safe' test virus varieties, for his own sake as well as others!).

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    You’re assuming the conclusion though – that it’s unethical.

    I sit on an institutional REB. This is unethical. There's a long list of accidental deaths in history from medical "geniuses" and if left unchecked, eventually we could get more virulent infectious agents from idiots trying to CRISPR edit themselves in their garage.

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