▲ 9 ▼ Tankie and PROUD, come @ me lemmy liberals (lemmy.ml) submitted 8 months ago by jankforlife@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml 71 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mub@lemmy.ml -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) I'll admit I am thinking in idealistic terms, but that is the point. I believe in punching through your targets, and not just settle for the "best of a job lot". I hope for a society that can move beyond the types of government we've seen so far. Power always corrupts. Some individuals are able to avoid this but organised groups never can. Maybe some groups are more altruistic in their goals, initially at least, but the longer they exist the more self preservationist they become. This is basic human behaviour. I disagree with your conclusion that replacing leadership is a bad thing. If a society (communist or not) is not satisfied with the performance of its leaders they should be replaced. The power to replace leaders must be in the hands of the people, not as an exception but as routine. However, I don't know of a communist government that allows this, unless I've misunderstood? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mub@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) You are right, power is not a super natural force. However, the psychological impact of power is very real and well understood. The evidence of our own experiences should be enough to tell you this. Also, there are countless psychology experiments demonstrating the corrupting influence of power, which often boils down self-preservation through a continued hold on power. People will make up any old bullshit to justify why they should in power. The degree of corruption varies between individuals and the level of responsibility they have, but once you bring people into groups it becomes unavoidable. Public transparency and oversight is about the only thing that can constrain it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mub@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago I'll admit I don't know enough about transparency in communist societies, but you need to read up on the experiments done on human behaviour in power structures. It is fascinating and scary. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] mub@lemmy.ml -2 points 8 months ago (2 children) I'll admit I am thinking in idealistic terms, but that is the point. I believe in punching through your targets, and not just settle for the "best of a job lot". I hope for a society that can move beyond the types of government we've seen so far. Power always corrupts. Some individuals are able to avoid this but organised groups never can. Maybe some groups are more altruistic in their goals, initially at least, but the longer they exist the more self preservationist they become. This is basic human behaviour. I disagree with your conclusion that replacing leadership is a bad thing. If a society (communist or not) is not satisfied with the performance of its leaders they should be replaced. The power to replace leaders must be in the hands of the people, not as an exception but as routine. However, I don't know of a communist government that allows this, unless I've misunderstood? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mub@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) You are right, power is not a super natural force. However, the psychological impact of power is very real and well understood. The evidence of our own experiences should be enough to tell you this. Also, there are countless psychology experiments demonstrating the corrupting influence of power, which often boils down self-preservation through a continued hold on power. People will make up any old bullshit to justify why they should in power. The degree of corruption varies between individuals and the level of responsibility they have, but once you bring people into groups it becomes unavoidable. Public transparency and oversight is about the only thing that can constrain it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mub@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago I'll admit I don't know enough about transparency in communist societies, but you need to read up on the experiments done on human behaviour in power structures. It is fascinating and scary. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mub@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) You are right, power is not a super natural force. However, the psychological impact of power is very real and well understood. The evidence of our own experiences should be enough to tell you this. Also, there are countless psychology experiments demonstrating the corrupting influence of power, which often boils down self-preservation through a continued hold on power. People will make up any old bullshit to justify why they should in power. The degree of corruption varies between individuals and the level of responsibility they have, but once you bring people into groups it becomes unavoidable. Public transparency and oversight is about the only thing that can constrain it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mub@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago I'll admit I don't know enough about transparency in communist societies, but you need to read up on the experiments done on human behaviour in power structures. It is fascinating and scary. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] mub@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) You are right, power is not a super natural force. However, the psychological impact of power is very real and well understood. The evidence of our own experiences should be enough to tell you this. Also, there are countless psychology experiments demonstrating the corrupting influence of power, which often boils down self-preservation through a continued hold on power. People will make up any old bullshit to justify why they should in power. The degree of corruption varies between individuals and the level of responsibility they have, but once you bring people into groups it becomes unavoidable. Public transparency and oversight is about the only thing that can constrain it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mub@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago I'll admit I don't know enough about transparency in communist societies, but you need to read up on the experiments done on human behaviour in power structures. It is fascinating and scary. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mub@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago I'll admit I don't know enough about transparency in communist societies, but you need to read up on the experiments done on human behaviour in power structures. It is fascinating and scary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mub@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago I'll admit I don't know enough about transparency in communist societies, but you need to read up on the experiments done on human behaviour in power structures. It is fascinating and scary. permalink fedilink source parent
