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[–] 5 points 8 months ago (14 children)

It's a nice sentiment but I have tried many times. People just don't care, and often they'll laugh at and lambast you for even offering such a suggestion. Tinfoil hat, paranoia, etc.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (10 children)

    It took a little while to figure it out. It doesn't have to be everyone. Like you don't have to get every person you know to switch. But make it clear that if somebody wants to contact you remotely, then that platform (for me Jabber) will be the only way. Besides email. If they decide not to join you, then they don't want to contact you and they'll probably hardly message.

    If somebody legitimately wants to contact you and wants to associate with you (be your friend), they will install an app. Just make sure the onboarding process is as simple as an air fryer. Don't be a shy nerd about it either.

    EDIT: and yeah I agree nobody cares too much about privacy - all they really care about is reaching out to someone - but all my contacts know how much I care about privacy

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    I have done that before but I'm not likely to blow up the few good relationships I have over comm protocols. Which is absolutely what will happen.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I think the few special people are fine (for now). Although I know both of us wish for our closest relationships to use what we prefer. I got mine to, but I know it can be hard.

    I only have a phone number for my boss.

    Maybe I'm just really social. But I still feel like if they're good relationships, they will understand. And you probably already see them a bunch, maybe everyday.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    if they're good relationships, they will understand

    Sure, what about not "good" relationships? What if you meet a new person and they say "hey, you seem like a cool person, we should get together again, what's your #?" and then you launch a tirade about the oligarchy and Edward Snowden and these people suddenly don't want to talk to you ever again.

    I've said this before, but the way I handle this is a sort of self-hosted linktree style site: firstnamelastname.com, that has all of my contact info, in order of personal preference, and let them choose. That's about the most I can commit to.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It's of course best to avoid ranting about stuff that will make you sound like a conspiracy nut. If that isn't obvious enough.

    People you just meet... From what people my age tell me is that even they don't like giving out their phone numbers. They tend to only share their Instagram. And when somebody asks for that instead of my number, I've gotten comfortable enough to tell them I don't use that stuff. Sometimes I joke and say I'll give you my email. Most take it.

    I absolutely hate phone numbers. For technical reasons. Maybe that's how I feel so willing to only contact people through email or XMPP/Jabber.

    And for people I just met, I don't like giving out too much information anyways. 😆

    I guess I just happened to find the right community where the network effect runs well. Outside of my main community it starts with email.

    People who join me on my preferred platform are the ones that I can better prioritize attention to.

    By the way, what is your preferred platform for private communication?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    It's of course best to avoid ranting about stuff that will make you sound like a conspiracy nut

    When you ask them to do this, the next question will be "why?" and I don't know another way to answer that.

    I've gotten comfortable enough to tell them I don't use that stuff. Sometimes I joke and say I'll give you my email. Most take it.

    So it sounds like you probably never speak to those people again.

    By the way, what is your preferred platform for private communication?

    SimpleX

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago*

    When you ask them to do this, the next question will be "why?" and I don't know another way to answer that.

    I like to take advantage of the increase in privacy awareness and how the current administration is behaving (United States). People have definetly seen and understand more about the abuse big tech does to us. But I still keep it in laymen terms.

    Stuff like:

    "It's just WhatsApp but actually private" I guess has been what I've started saying initially.

    I find using platforms owned by people who support the current administration rather immoral. So I think I play into that a bit.

    Best to not be nervous at all and act like it's a normal thing. That's how people come around. While most people might use WhatsApp or Instagram, you can convince them that it's something regular. I mean like, what's another app on their phone?

    Something I do admit is with some people I had to loop back around after some time. But they came to join me on Jabber eventually.

    A couple of my friends who are mostly non-techie users have been collaborating with me on how to promote this secure nerd technical stuff.

    So it sounds like you probably never speak to those people again.

    Even though my city is big, I do run into the same people again in the same industry. I'm not out there a lot partying or hanging with strangers, so I guess I just foster relationships and branch off from there with friends of friends.

    I did succumb once and made a LinkedIn for certain business contacts. But most business people are older and take my email pretty easily.

    Like I'm not out there getting random people to join this strange nerd platform. But I make it easier for them to accept it.

    I went through almost all the "private and secure communication" apps and services, trying to figure out the best one. I know SimpleX is getting popular, but for me XMPP/Jabber has ticked the boxes. And I try to make it easier to use and understand.

    Still figuring out more efficient ways to promote privacy rights and good practices, but I'm getting there fairly smoothly.

    EDIT: And again, I'm not able to get everyone. But people come around.

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