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[Article] Not just smoke and feathers! - framing the effectiveness of shamanic medicine in terms of placebo effects alone does not do justice to the sophistication of shamanic practice (www.essentiafoundation.org)
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[–] [S] 2 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

u asked for studies to prove u wrong & i gave u a 2025 review of 16 papers and now u move the goalposts because u don't like the results.

it's mental health. if a ritual helps someone with ptsd and literally changes their heart rate and brain waves, it's working. hrv and gamma waves don't just 'convince themselves' to change. u can't say it's 'nothing' just because it's not a pill.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Yeah, sorry, by "study" I obviously meant "proper study"

    Then if they can't convince themselves, prove it by comparing with placebo. And if you can't, it's just another scam like homeopathy that goes "it works but you can't prove it through science", which is worthless.

    All of this is just basic scientific protocol, I did not move anything, I said from the start that it needs to be proven scientifically.

    Also, the study you linked, as I already said, concludes that it is absolutely not proof of anything, and that beliefs matter a lot it in (so people don't convince themselves, but yet their beliefs affect the results?)

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