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'We Rely on Hispanic Labor': ICE Raids Trigger Economic Alarm Bells in Trump States (www.commondreams.org)
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[–] 45 points 9 months ago (9 children)

The reporting came after a self-professed three-time Trump voter, identified only as “John in New Mexico, Republican,” called in to C-SPAN last week to apologize for previously supporting the president, whom he called a “rotten, rotten man,” citing his immigration operations and racist post about the Obamas.

Every little bit helps, and trump is gonna keep losing from every group he's not currently pandering too.

Any move he makes, is going to piss off some of his voters, and once he loses them, they're going to absolutely "tune out" of politics and be unreachable for a couple election cycles.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

    That's great and all...but we told them many times before the elections in 2016, 2020, and 2024, that he was a rotten and racist man.

    Also, now, we know, he fucks children. Possibly eats them, and maybe even runs a puppy mill operation but with human babies.

    That, apparently, doesn't bother the caller. It's always "what's left unsaid" with these people.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    To the huge part of the population that vehemently reject any ideas that feel external, the hardest part of convincing someone is making it seem like it's their idea. All of those facts were never going to change their mind when they were reported on. It had to be their own realization that, ok, I don't like racist pedophile con men liars.

    Fox News figured out how - it got root access to their brains and rewrote the whole OS - but for regular people to try to convince them of one obvious fact, we practically need to act out the entire movie Inception.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    That second paragraph is really it.

    The world changed way too damn fast over the past hundred or so years, and really ramped up within my lifetime (40).

    I describe to my kids how we used to contact people, or watch TV when I was a kid, and they can't believe it. I describe how my parents did it and it's even more unbelievable. And my grandparents...well, they didn't have phones, TVs, or cars when they were their age.

    Meanwhile...psychology...particularly the understanding of addiction and manipulation, and how it relates to the modern media landscape, has only really been gaining steam the past, what, 10 years?

    And how much of that knowledge is reflected in current law?

    Cable news networks have a 30+ year head-start on science, and a financial incentive to abuse what they've learned for self-gain. And then lobby to keep the doctors from taking it all away.

    Soda (pop) taxes are probably a good case study here. Everybody knows sugar/hfcs isn't good for you. Everybody knows that there's a lot of that in soda. Everybody knows that soda isn't a necessary part of a healthy diet. Everybody knows that artificial sweeteners aren't great for you.

    Yet when people start talking about taxing soda to help curb the obesity epidemic, it's an uproar, largely driven by fox news et al.

    Don't get me wrong, in theory I do somewhat disagree with the concepts of sin tax, and think that the bulk of taxes revenue should be taken from the billionaire leeches that are really running this country. But, if that sin has a measurable impact on public health? Then yeah, I'm okay with sin taxes.

    I gladly pay 20% tax on recreational cannabis, because a.) it's still cheaper than street, b.) it's tested and regulated c.) the revenue goes towards social equality programs, public health, public transit, and schools, and d.) it is, for all intents and purposes, a luxury good. Medical, I don't think, is taxed in this state.

    And I still think the Ron Paul Red-Wave of Reddit circa 2008 was a trial run by the GOP in using social media to promote an unpopular candidate to a blue and purple audience. By the time 2016 came around they applied it, bigly, and gave Trump the upper hand by letting the primary stage be so full, splitting the vote among all the establishment candidates and paving the way for Trump to easily outlast the rest.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    But, if that sin has a measurable impact on public health? Then yeah, I’m okay with sin taxes.

    Why would it be a sin if it didn't cause objective harms? The whole point of taxing and regulating these things is that the harm they cause isn't just personal or moral, they materially impact communities, just sometimes in ways you don't typically think about. If someone is calling for a "Sin Tax" on truly victimless crimes, that's not a sin tax, that's just plain old social censorship.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Nobody has to be harmed for something to be a sin.

    And I would say calling sugary soda a "sin" is a bit of a stretch, since a sin is just any action, thought, or omission that violates moral or religious law.

    Tons of sins, especially in that second column, that doesn't hurt anybody.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I think you're getting hung up on the figurative language. A "sin tax" isn't about a religious sin, it's about taxing something that's obviously bad, but not harmful enough to justify criminalizing it and often popular enough that people would be outraged if you just banned it. Like cigarette taxes, weed taxes, alcohol taxes and the like. Things that not only harm you, but the community that then has to deal with the consequences of your choices.

    The idea is those taxes then go to fund mitigation programs. Rehab, or gym membership tax credits or things like that.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    They're deep in propaganda...

    When you see a camel buckle under one more piece of straw, that's motivation to keep throwing more straw. Not give up because it's working.

    I have no idea how anyone could hold the view that this means we shouldn't keep trying. Yet here you are...

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