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[–] 31 points 9 months ago (28 children)

Let me rephrase: Australians concerned about children on vehicles that can go 25mph with no requirement for a license or training.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The issue is more that they sell 500-1000W ebikes that are not specced for road usage, only for riding on private ground - and then hand them to teenagers. As so often, the parents are the issue, not the teens. As so often, everyone will pay the price for it through stricter regulation.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago*

    Wrong.

    we have two issues

    One is crusted old cumstains losing their shit about the presence of Visible Teenagers after the social media ban. They can go fuck 'emselves

    The other issue is teens on illegal wattage ebikes that are souped up to 50/90kmph and ridden in areas not designed to have things at that speed tearing through them. Because of pedestrians, kids, horses, etc.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    25 kph, not mph. Which isn't very fast.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    25kph is the legal speed limit for ebikes. It does not magically prevent them from going faster.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    and it's not hard to get up to 40kph just using your legs and a hill without a motor. we've got a great hill that's steep enough to get up to 50kph, but i'm not quite brave enough for that.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    No doubt, but that's not what is happening. Kids are doing 40 on the flat on their "ebike" and they don't look or indicate and they can't do 40km/h uphill so they slow down a lot unexpectedly.

    There needs to be some kind of training and regulation.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    There needs to be some kind of training and regulation.

    I'd have it be part of the drivers ed, but i'm an old stick in the mud

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    That's pretty close to my average speed and I'm just a commuter on a 30lb hardtail MTB with shitty infrastructure. I'd wager anyone who can ride a bike can easily go faster than that on a flat, even if they weren't a regular rider.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The article doesn't mention any "miles per hour". Do people in Australia use mph?

    In December, the NSW premier, Chris Minns, announced a plan to halve ebikes’ power – and therefore reduce their top speeds – to 250 watts...

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    You can go 25mph and faster on a bicycle no problem, I reject the argument that e-bikes (not e-moto) are a significant danger. That's mostly cabrain propaganda that people who chose to stop thinking accept.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Not unless you are are really gunning it and on a fitted road bike.

    There is a pretty big psychological aspect to it in that without putting in the work, you can become disconnected in how fast you are accelerating/moving. With bicycles you tend to work up the speed as you start to understand and get comfortable with what you are riding; a process that isn't really present with e-bikes.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Fitted road bike? I do it regularly on a 3x7 hardtail MTB loaded down with pannier bags and a frame bag. That's not downhill, that's on a flat. I am just an ordinary bike commuter too, not an athlete and I have a low end steel Trek meant for single track MTB riding. It weighs at least 30 lbs with all my stuff on it.

    I think you are overestimating how hard it is to go fast with little to no training and the right gear, even someone who doesn't ride regularly could probably hit 20 on a flat if they tried. Downhill you can hit 35mph+ even if you aren't in shape and barely know how to ride.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    A dude got up to 90mph on a bike just off his own steam before

    I remember all the adverts when I was a kid telling me that if I got hit by a car at 30mph there was a 90% chance I'd live (this was the happy path of the advert). This is also cars ostensibly driven by licensed people.

    E-bikes with a 25mph limiter are not a risk if we allow cars in the same space as pedestrians

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