▲ 736 ▼ Flock CEO calls Deflock a “terrorist organization” (news.ycombinator.com) submitted 9 months ago by Beep@lemmus.org to c/technology@lemmy.world 112 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 332 points 9 months ago (35 children) The word 'terrorist' has lost all meaning at this point. permalink fedilink source hideshow 35 child comments replies: [–] otter@lemmy.ca 265 points 9 months ago (18 children) I had to double-check what Deflock was for: DeFlock's mission is simple: to shine a light on the widespread use of ALPR technology, raise awareness about the threats it poses to personal privacy and civil liberties, and empower the public to take action. This app makes it easy to view and report AI powered surveillance cameras, automatic license plate readers (ALPRs), and other surveillance infrastructure near you. Sharing information about where cameras are located is terrorism now? 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] ozoned@piefed.social 123 points 9 months ago (12 children) Careful! I think logic and questions are the new terrorist things to do! Oooo scarey! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago (8 children) Better ask chatgpt what to do about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world -14 points 9 months ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 9 months ago "Things you couldn't get me to publicly admit for $500, Alex" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 13 points 9 months ago That is not healthy, and you should stop doing that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] db2@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) What is this pic from exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) Victory Gin and Victory Cigarettes are from 1984. The specific context of this image I'm not sure of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago For clarity, 1984 is a book by George Orwell. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago That's really concerning. Like, if a loved one told me that I'd express serious concern for their mental health permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 9 months ago Believe it or not, jail permalink fedilink source parent [–] 5oap10116@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago Don't turn off your telescreen permalink fedilink source parent [–] Damage@feddit.it 16 points 9 months ago (4 children) Shit from the title I thought they were going around smashing the cameras and that it was an exaggeration, but I was clearly wrong on the scale permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago It's a surveillance company, stoking fears of terrorism is just good business, especially if it's not true permalink fedilink source parent [–] waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) Be the change you want to see in the world permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Eh no I'd rather stay out of the US at the moment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 9 months ago We have such sort of cameras in Europe as well. Some even use a Service provider from china; literally Surveillance as a Service. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 54 points 9 months ago (1 child) This is just a play out of the rules for radicals playbook: accuse others of what you are doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 20 points 9 months ago DARVO permalink fedilink source parent [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 9 months ago It lost all meaning the second Bush declared the "War on Terror". permalink fedilink source parent [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) It means 'Enemy of the rich' now e: important clarification, by rich I mean billionaires who own the majority of everything and not successful doctors, engineers or movie stars. Know your classes, kids permalink fedilink source parent [–] chisel@piefed.social 10 points 9 months ago That's partly the point. Use words that accurately describe your evil group to incorrectly describe other groups and all of a sudden the words lose meaning and nobody can call you that anymore. Hooray! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children) In the UK the term is defined by the government as anyone who is deemed by the government a threat to the government or the people or someone's property or the predominant local religion. But recently it's been exclusively used for the first one. In this country state law is valued higher than corporate, moral, ethical and religious laws, so YMMV " Terrorism: interpretation. (Terrorism Act 2000) (1)In this Act “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where— (a)the action falls within subsection (2), (b)the use or threat is designed to influence the government [or an international governmental organisation] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and (c)the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious [, racial] or ideological cause. (2)Action falls within this subsection if it— (a)involves serious violence against a person, (b)involves serious damage to property, (c)endangers a person’s life, other than that of the person committing the action, (d)creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or (e)is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system. (3)The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied. (4)In this section— (a)“action” includes action outside the United Kingdom, (b)a reference to any person or to property is a reference to any person, or to property, wherever situated, (c)a reference to the public includes a reference to the public of a country other than the United Kingdom, and (d)“the government” means the government of the United Kingdom, of a Part of the United Kingdom or of a country other than the United Kingdom. (5)In this Act a reference to action taken for the purposes of terrorism includes a reference to action taken for the benefit of a proscribed organisation. " Link permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] hector@lemmy.today 6 points 9 months ago It's so broad, they can accuse anyone of it, and that's the point. Both parties have long supported these over broad laws too, because they are not on our side, they want the ability to bring the power of the state on the heads of any groups that might not be breaking the law in a way any reasonable person would condemn but still scare those aritstocrats. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tabular@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (6 children) In the UK it means the cop wants your ID and is willing to pretend your camera is a gun to get it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 6 points 9 months ago (3 children) The UK isn't the US (at least in this context) almost nobody has guns. In very limited situations the police can, but it's not the norm. Don't get me wrong, ACAB, they just don't generally use guns a as a pretext, perhaps a knife, or perhaps there is more than an arbitrary number of people grouped together so they can claim an 'illegal' protest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (2 children) I didn't mean they really thought a camera were a gun. I mean UK cops will "suspect" people filming with a camera of being a terrorist (as if aiming the camera were like pointing a gun). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago "anonymous" downvotes aren't a good replacement for an actual response, but you do you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago and I’m saying it's not a common occurrence, intentional or not. Guns aren't common enough in the UK for "they've got a gun" to be a go-to for the police. "They've got a knife" or "They’ve got a sign the ruling class don't want people to see" are more likely. As another poster pointed out, it has happened, but it's by no means the norm. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child) Fatal police shootings in the UK are getting more common. In 2019 one man was "lawfully murdered" because an officer said the victim's mobile phone looked like a handgun. In 2024 it was announced the officer would not be prosecuted. Not one police officer has been found guilty of illegal murder as of yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago Sure, that seems about right and the link is interesting. I was just saying it's not a common excuse for cops in the UK (right now). permalink fedilink source parent [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 months ago It means "me no like." permalink fedilink source parent [–] hector@lemmy.today 5 points 9 months ago It never had meaning. To instill deep fear. Doing violent acts with the purpose of achieving a political end. It's always been super broad and just waiting for a domestic party to adopt the tactics of Israel's occupied territories here in the US, that's where this was always heading. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] otter@lemmy.ca 265 points 9 months ago (18 children) I had to double-check what Deflock was for: DeFlock's mission is simple: to shine a light on the widespread use of ALPR technology, raise awareness about the threats it poses to personal privacy and civil liberties, and empower the public to take action. This app makes it easy to view and report AI powered surveillance cameras, automatic license plate readers (ALPRs), and other surveillance infrastructure near you. Sharing information about where cameras are located is terrorism now? 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] ozoned@piefed.social 123 points 9 months ago (12 children) Careful! I think logic and questions are the new terrorist things to do! Oooo scarey! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago (8 children) Better ask chatgpt what to do about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world -14 points 9 months ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 9 months ago "Things you couldn't get me to publicly admit for $500, Alex" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 13 points 9 months ago That is not healthy, and you should stop doing that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] db2@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) What is this pic from exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) Victory Gin and Victory Cigarettes are from 1984. The specific context of this image I'm not sure of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago For clarity, 1984 is a book by George Orwell. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago That's really concerning. Like, if a loved one told me that I'd express serious concern for their mental health permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 9 months ago Believe it or not, jail permalink fedilink source parent [–] 5oap10116@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago Don't turn off your telescreen permalink fedilink source parent [–] Damage@feddit.it 16 points 9 months ago (4 children) Shit from the title I thought they were going around smashing the cameras and that it was an exaggeration, but I was clearly wrong on the scale permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago It's a surveillance company, stoking fears of terrorism is just good business, especially if it's not true permalink fedilink source parent [–] waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) Be the change you want to see in the world permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Eh no I'd rather stay out of the US at the moment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 9 months ago We have such sort of cameras in Europe as well. Some even use a Service provider from china; literally Surveillance as a Service. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ozoned@piefed.social 123 points 9 months ago (12 children) Careful! I think logic and questions are the new terrorist things to do! Oooo scarey! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago (8 children) Better ask chatgpt what to do about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world -14 points 9 months ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 9 months ago "Things you couldn't get me to publicly admit for $500, Alex" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 13 points 9 months ago That is not healthy, and you should stop doing that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] db2@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) What is this pic from exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) Victory Gin and Victory Cigarettes are from 1984. The specific context of this image I'm not sure of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago For clarity, 1984 is a book by George Orwell. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago That's really concerning. Like, if a loved one told me that I'd express serious concern for their mental health permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 9 months ago Believe it or not, jail permalink fedilink source parent [–] 5oap10116@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago Don't turn off your telescreen permalink fedilink source parent
[+] diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago (8 children) Better ask chatgpt what to do about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world -14 points 9 months ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 9 months ago "Things you couldn't get me to publicly admit for $500, Alex" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 13 points 9 months ago That is not healthy, and you should stop doing that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] db2@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) What is this pic from exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) Victory Gin and Victory Cigarettes are from 1984. The specific context of this image I'm not sure of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago For clarity, 1984 is a book by George Orwell. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago That's really concerning. Like, if a loved one told me that I'd express serious concern for their mental health permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 9 months ago Believe it or not, jail permalink fedilink source parent [–] 5oap10116@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago Don't turn off your telescreen permalink fedilink source parent
[–] db2@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago (8 children) Better ask chatgpt what to do about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world -14 points 9 months ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 9 months ago "Things you couldn't get me to publicly admit for $500, Alex" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 13 points 9 months ago That is not healthy, and you should stop doing that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] db2@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) What is this pic from exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) Victory Gin and Victory Cigarettes are from 1984. The specific context of this image I'm not sure of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago For clarity, 1984 is a book by George Orwell. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago That's really concerning. Like, if a loved one told me that I'd express serious concern for their mental health permalink fedilink source parent
[+] diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world -14 points 9 months ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 9 months ago "Things you couldn't get me to publicly admit for $500, Alex" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 13 points 9 months ago That is not healthy, and you should stop doing that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] db2@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) What is this pic from exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) Victory Gin and Victory Cigarettes are from 1984. The specific context of this image I'm not sure of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago For clarity, 1984 is a book by George Orwell. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago That's really concerning. Like, if a loved one told me that I'd express serious concern for their mental health permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 9 months ago "Things you couldn't get me to publicly admit for $500, Alex" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 13 points 9 months ago That is not healthy, and you should stop doing that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] db2@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) What is this pic from exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) Victory Gin and Victory Cigarettes are from 1984. The specific context of this image I'm not sure of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago For clarity, 1984 is a book by George Orwell. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) What is this pic from exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] db2@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) Victory Gin and Victory Cigarettes are from 1984. The specific context of this image I'm not sure of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago For clarity, 1984 is a book by George Orwell. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] db2@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) Victory Gin and Victory Cigarettes are from 1984. The specific context of this image I'm not sure of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago For clarity, 1984 is a book by George Orwell. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 9 months ago For clarity, 1984 is a book by George Orwell. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago That's really concerning. Like, if a loved one told me that I'd express serious concern for their mental health permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 9 months ago Believe it or not, jail permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 5oap10116@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago Don't turn off your telescreen permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Damage@feddit.it 16 points 9 months ago (4 children) Shit from the title I thought they were going around smashing the cameras and that it was an exaggeration, but I was clearly wrong on the scale permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago It's a surveillance company, stoking fears of terrorism is just good business, especially if it's not true permalink fedilink source parent [–] waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) Be the change you want to see in the world permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Eh no I'd rather stay out of the US at the moment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 9 months ago We have such sort of cameras in Europe as well. Some even use a Service provider from china; literally Surveillance as a Service. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago It's a surveillance company, stoking fears of terrorism is just good business, especially if it's not true permalink fedilink source parent
[–] waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) Be the change you want to see in the world permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Eh no I'd rather stay out of the US at the moment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 9 months ago We have such sort of cameras in Europe as well. Some even use a Service provider from china; literally Surveillance as a Service. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Eh no I'd rather stay out of the US at the moment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 9 months ago We have such sort of cameras in Europe as well. Some even use a Service provider from china; literally Surveillance as a Service. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 9 months ago We have such sort of cameras in Europe as well. Some even use a Service provider from china; literally Surveillance as a Service. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 54 points 9 months ago (1 child) This is just a play out of the rules for radicals playbook: accuse others of what you are doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 20 points 9 months ago DARVO permalink fedilink source parent
[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 9 months ago It lost all meaning the second Bush declared the "War on Terror". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) It means 'Enemy of the rich' now e: important clarification, by rich I mean billionaires who own the majority of everything and not successful doctors, engineers or movie stars. Know your classes, kids permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chisel@piefed.social 10 points 9 months ago That's partly the point. Use words that accurately describe your evil group to incorrectly describe other groups and all of a sudden the words lose meaning and nobody can call you that anymore. Hooray! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children) In the UK the term is defined by the government as anyone who is deemed by the government a threat to the government or the people or someone's property or the predominant local religion. But recently it's been exclusively used for the first one. In this country state law is valued higher than corporate, moral, ethical and religious laws, so YMMV " Terrorism: interpretation. (Terrorism Act 2000) (1)In this Act “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where— (a)the action falls within subsection (2), (b)the use or threat is designed to influence the government [or an international governmental organisation] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and (c)the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious [, racial] or ideological cause. (2)Action falls within this subsection if it— (a)involves serious violence against a person, (b)involves serious damage to property, (c)endangers a person’s life, other than that of the person committing the action, (d)creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or (e)is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system. (3)The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied. (4)In this section— (a)“action” includes action outside the United Kingdom, (b)a reference to any person or to property is a reference to any person, or to property, wherever situated, (c)a reference to the public includes a reference to the public of a country other than the United Kingdom, and (d)“the government” means the government of the United Kingdom, of a Part of the United Kingdom or of a country other than the United Kingdom. (5)In this Act a reference to action taken for the purposes of terrorism includes a reference to action taken for the benefit of a proscribed organisation. " Link permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] hector@lemmy.today 6 points 9 months ago It's so broad, they can accuse anyone of it, and that's the point. Both parties have long supported these over broad laws too, because they are not on our side, they want the ability to bring the power of the state on the heads of any groups that might not be breaking the law in a way any reasonable person would condemn but still scare those aritstocrats. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tabular@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (6 children) In the UK it means the cop wants your ID and is willing to pretend your camera is a gun to get it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 6 points 9 months ago (3 children) The UK isn't the US (at least in this context) almost nobody has guns. In very limited situations the police can, but it's not the norm. Don't get me wrong, ACAB, they just don't generally use guns a as a pretext, perhaps a knife, or perhaps there is more than an arbitrary number of people grouped together so they can claim an 'illegal' protest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (2 children) I didn't mean they really thought a camera were a gun. I mean UK cops will "suspect" people filming with a camera of being a terrorist (as if aiming the camera were like pointing a gun). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago "anonymous" downvotes aren't a good replacement for an actual response, but you do you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago and I’m saying it's not a common occurrence, intentional or not. Guns aren't common enough in the UK for "they've got a gun" to be a go-to for the police. "They've got a knife" or "They’ve got a sign the ruling class don't want people to see" are more likely. As another poster pointed out, it has happened, but it's by no means the norm. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child) Fatal police shootings in the UK are getting more common. In 2019 one man was "lawfully murdered" because an officer said the victim's mobile phone looked like a handgun. In 2024 it was announced the officer would not be prosecuted. Not one police officer has been found guilty of illegal murder as of yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago Sure, that seems about right and the link is interesting. I was just saying it's not a common excuse for cops in the UK (right now). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hector@lemmy.today 6 points 9 months ago It's so broad, they can accuse anyone of it, and that's the point. Both parties have long supported these over broad laws too, because they are not on our side, they want the ability to bring the power of the state on the heads of any groups that might not be breaking the law in a way any reasonable person would condemn but still scare those aritstocrats. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabular@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (6 children) In the UK it means the cop wants your ID and is willing to pretend your camera is a gun to get it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 6 points 9 months ago (3 children) The UK isn't the US (at least in this context) almost nobody has guns. In very limited situations the police can, but it's not the norm. Don't get me wrong, ACAB, they just don't generally use guns a as a pretext, perhaps a knife, or perhaps there is more than an arbitrary number of people grouped together so they can claim an 'illegal' protest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (2 children) I didn't mean they really thought a camera were a gun. I mean UK cops will "suspect" people filming with a camera of being a terrorist (as if aiming the camera were like pointing a gun). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago "anonymous" downvotes aren't a good replacement for an actual response, but you do you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago and I’m saying it's not a common occurrence, intentional or not. Guns aren't common enough in the UK for "they've got a gun" to be a go-to for the police. "They've got a knife" or "They’ve got a sign the ruling class don't want people to see" are more likely. As another poster pointed out, it has happened, but it's by no means the norm. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child) Fatal police shootings in the UK are getting more common. In 2019 one man was "lawfully murdered" because an officer said the victim's mobile phone looked like a handgun. In 2024 it was announced the officer would not be prosecuted. Not one police officer has been found guilty of illegal murder as of yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago Sure, that seems about right and the link is interesting. I was just saying it's not a common excuse for cops in the UK (right now). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Senal@programming.dev 6 points 9 months ago (3 children) The UK isn't the US (at least in this context) almost nobody has guns. In very limited situations the police can, but it's not the norm. Don't get me wrong, ACAB, they just don't generally use guns a as a pretext, perhaps a knife, or perhaps there is more than an arbitrary number of people grouped together so they can claim an 'illegal' protest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (2 children) I didn't mean they really thought a camera were a gun. I mean UK cops will "suspect" people filming with a camera of being a terrorist (as if aiming the camera were like pointing a gun). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago "anonymous" downvotes aren't a good replacement for an actual response, but you do you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago and I’m saying it's not a common occurrence, intentional or not. Guns aren't common enough in the UK for "they've got a gun" to be a go-to for the police. "They've got a knife" or "They’ve got a sign the ruling class don't want people to see" are more likely. As another poster pointed out, it has happened, but it's by no means the norm. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (2 children) I didn't mean they really thought a camera were a gun. I mean UK cops will "suspect" people filming with a camera of being a terrorist (as if aiming the camera were like pointing a gun). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago "anonymous" downvotes aren't a good replacement for an actual response, but you do you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago and I’m saying it's not a common occurrence, intentional or not. Guns aren't common enough in the UK for "they've got a gun" to be a go-to for the police. "They've got a knife" or "They’ve got a sign the ruling class don't want people to see" are more likely. As another poster pointed out, it has happened, but it's by no means the norm. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago "anonymous" downvotes aren't a good replacement for an actual response, but you do you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago and I’m saying it's not a common occurrence, intentional or not. Guns aren't common enough in the UK for "they've got a gun" to be a go-to for the police. "They've got a knife" or "They’ve got a sign the ruling class don't want people to see" are more likely. As another poster pointed out, it has happened, but it's by no means the norm. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child) Fatal police shootings in the UK are getting more common. In 2019 one man was "lawfully murdered" because an officer said the victim's mobile phone looked like a handgun. In 2024 it was announced the officer would not be prosecuted. Not one police officer has been found guilty of illegal murder as of yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago Sure, that seems about right and the link is interesting. I was just saying it's not a common excuse for cops in the UK (right now). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Senal@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago Sure, that seems about right and the link is interesting. I was just saying it's not a common excuse for cops in the UK (right now). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 months ago It means "me no like." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hector@lemmy.today 5 points 9 months ago It never had meaning. To instill deep fear. Doing violent acts with the purpose of achieving a political end. It's always been super broad and just waiting for a domestic party to adopt the tactics of Israel's occupied territories here in the US, that's where this was always heading. permalink fedilink source parent