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[+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -14 points 9 months ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* because that's laughable and debunked western garbage propaganda you're spouting. But thanks for your input CIA permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago You have the patience of a saint, comrade. Thank you for always bringing evidence and asserting it politely. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) I really enjoy your comments. You're even handed, considerate, and informative so I think you'll take this push back well. The word cult is a slippery term that is generally a perjorative morphing to the intentions of both writer and reader. A more neutral term would be the preferred academic term of "new religious movement" while highlight specific harmful behaviors that might make it either immoral, illegal, or culturally distasteful. I hope that you see the value in being more specific with the term. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 child) For me, it's more than just the dangers of their ideas. Its mechanisms of control. Can members come and go freely? Do the members have a livelihood separate from the religious community? Do they have access to other perspective or is their information limited and curated? Do they use their doctrines to create obedience to the leadership? Is their financial obligation to the movement more onerous than other religious groups? Can a member leave tomorrow without being stalked or harassed? As far as I’ve seen, Falun Gong practitioners generally live normal, secular lives and aren't financially 'captured' by the organization. They might have strange or even 'subversive' views, but if the mechanism of total control isn't there, 'NRM' remains the more precise academic fit. This is not a defense of their views. If our net is just fringe ideas, the net would be cast too wide and catch otherwise socially accepted groups. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago I think that's fair. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -13 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -10 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -8 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago well isn’t it convenient to label every inconvenient truth as “western propaganda This is actually you doing the exact opposite: labeling every convenient piece of Western propaganda as "truth" permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* because that's laughable and debunked western garbage propaganda you're spouting. But thanks for your input CIA permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago You have the patience of a saint, comrade. Thank you for always bringing evidence and asserting it politely. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) I really enjoy your comments. You're even handed, considerate, and informative so I think you'll take this push back well. The word cult is a slippery term that is generally a perjorative morphing to the intentions of both writer and reader. A more neutral term would be the preferred academic term of "new religious movement" while highlight specific harmful behaviors that might make it either immoral, illegal, or culturally distasteful. I hope that you see the value in being more specific with the term. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 child) For me, it's more than just the dangers of their ideas. Its mechanisms of control. Can members come and go freely? Do the members have a livelihood separate from the religious community? Do they have access to other perspective or is their information limited and curated? Do they use their doctrines to create obedience to the leadership? Is their financial obligation to the movement more onerous than other religious groups? Can a member leave tomorrow without being stalked or harassed? As far as I’ve seen, Falun Gong practitioners generally live normal, secular lives and aren't financially 'captured' by the organization. They might have strange or even 'subversive' views, but if the mechanism of total control isn't there, 'NRM' remains the more precise academic fit. This is not a defense of their views. If our net is just fringe ideas, the net would be cast too wide and catch otherwise socially accepted groups. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago I think that's fair. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -13 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -10 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -8 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago well isn’t it convenient to label every inconvenient truth as “western propaganda This is actually you doing the exact opposite: labeling every convenient piece of Western propaganda as "truth" permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago You have the patience of a saint, comrade. Thank you for always bringing evidence and asserting it politely. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) I really enjoy your comments. You're even handed, considerate, and informative so I think you'll take this push back well. The word cult is a slippery term that is generally a perjorative morphing to the intentions of both writer and reader. A more neutral term would be the preferred academic term of "new religious movement" while highlight specific harmful behaviors that might make it either immoral, illegal, or culturally distasteful. I hope that you see the value in being more specific with the term. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 child) For me, it's more than just the dangers of their ideas. Its mechanisms of control. Can members come and go freely? Do the members have a livelihood separate from the religious community? Do they have access to other perspective or is their information limited and curated? Do they use their doctrines to create obedience to the leadership? Is their financial obligation to the movement more onerous than other religious groups? Can a member leave tomorrow without being stalked or harassed? As far as I’ve seen, Falun Gong practitioners generally live normal, secular lives and aren't financially 'captured' by the organization. They might have strange or even 'subversive' views, but if the mechanism of total control isn't there, 'NRM' remains the more precise academic fit. This is not a defense of their views. If our net is just fringe ideas, the net would be cast too wide and catch otherwise socially accepted groups. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago I think that's fair. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 child) For me, it's more than just the dangers of their ideas. Its mechanisms of control. Can members come and go freely? Do the members have a livelihood separate from the religious community? Do they have access to other perspective or is their information limited and curated? Do they use their doctrines to create obedience to the leadership? Is their financial obligation to the movement more onerous than other religious groups? Can a member leave tomorrow without being stalked or harassed? As far as I’ve seen, Falun Gong practitioners generally live normal, secular lives and aren't financially 'captured' by the organization. They might have strange or even 'subversive' views, but if the mechanism of total control isn't there, 'NRM' remains the more precise academic fit. This is not a defense of their views. If our net is just fringe ideas, the net would be cast too wide and catch otherwise socially accepted groups. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago I think that's fair. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 child) For me, it's more than just the dangers of their ideas. Its mechanisms of control. Can members come and go freely? Do the members have a livelihood separate from the religious community? Do they have access to other perspective or is their information limited and curated? Do they use their doctrines to create obedience to the leadership? Is their financial obligation to the movement more onerous than other religious groups? Can a member leave tomorrow without being stalked or harassed? As far as I’ve seen, Falun Gong practitioners generally live normal, secular lives and aren't financially 'captured' by the organization. They might have strange or even 'subversive' views, but if the mechanism of total control isn't there, 'NRM' remains the more precise academic fit. This is not a defense of their views. If our net is just fringe ideas, the net would be cast too wide and catch otherwise socially accepted groups. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago I think that's fair. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago I think that's fair. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago I think that's fair. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -13 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -10 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -8 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago well isn’t it convenient to label every inconvenient truth as “western propaganda This is actually you doing the exact opposite: labeling every convenient piece of Western propaganda as "truth" permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -10 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -8 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago well isn’t it convenient to label every inconvenient truth as “western propaganda This is actually you doing the exact opposite: labeling every convenient piece of Western propaganda as "truth" permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -10 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -8 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago well isn’t it convenient to label every inconvenient truth as “western propaganda This is actually you doing the exact opposite: labeling every convenient piece of Western propaganda as "truth" permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -8 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago well isn’t it convenient to label every inconvenient truth as “western propaganda This is actually you doing the exact opposite: labeling every convenient piece of Western propaganda as "truth" permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] MBEverding@mastodon.social -8 points 9 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago well isn’t it convenient to label every inconvenient truth as “western propaganda This is actually you doing the exact opposite: labeling every convenient piece of Western propaganda as "truth" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago well isn’t it convenient to label every inconvenient truth as “western propaganda This is actually you doing the exact opposite: labeling every convenient piece of Western propaganda as "truth" permalink fedilink source parent