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There won't even be an election to run in at this rate (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 9 months ago by to c/mop
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[–] 8 points 9 months ago (9 children)

I see many in here are willing to capitulate to their corporate masters. I don't think that's a good idea personally, but that's supposedly our right. I won't be voting for any liberals or Zionists in the near future. It's up to them to persuade me and fear isn't going to cut it.

The options are to get crushed by an open fascist whose lies I can see through like glass, or get crushed by the closet fascists that promises the world and delivers only shit. I'd feel gross voting for either, but I hate being taken for a ride.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

    Spoiler Alert: A 3rd party candidate will not win in the United States, probably in your lifetime. Probably not in your kid's lifetime either.

    It is your right to choose to ignore reality if that's what you want. There will be repercussions (even more).

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Not much of a spoiler when I already know the outcome. That doesn't mean I should still choose evil. I guess I'll keep losing, oh well, that's all I've ever known politically, so I'm quite used to it now.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    Sounds like they will have to earn their vote than.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Or, as an adult, you can do what I did and vote for the candidate least likely to send completely unaccountable masked federal goons into American cities to terrorize and execute American citizens.

    Sometimes it's less about someone winning you over, and more about adulting up and doing the right thing.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    "Adulting is perpetuating a bad system that is getting worse each year, for fear it could get worse at a faster rate"

    Doesn't help though does it? How about adulting is realising that democracy cannot function like that and you will end up in the exact same situation a few more years down the line if you keep doing nothing. Do you want to fix the issue or push it down the line for someone else?

    And let's not get started on the completely unaccountable unmasked federal and state goons who have been in American cities forever who terrorise and execute American minority citizens. It took 2 white people being killed by ICE for Americans to start giving a fuck.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    “Adulting is perpetuating a bad system that is getting worse each year, for fear it could get worse at a faster rate”

    No, adulting is ensuring the train doesn't come completely off the tracks while you work to reform what's already entrenched and not going anywhere. And in case you aren't aware of what happens when things go really off the tracks, you can see footage of other parts of the world where it's happened. It isn't pretty.

    Your problem is you see this as a black and white issue. A complete destruction of what exists in order to rebuild. You don't seem to grasp that, unless you personally lead a successful revolution (you aren't), the most realistic option is to reform the only viable non-fascist party available to us. Because that is way, way, way more possible than wiping it all and starting over.

    Let me ask you a question. In the reality in which we do, in fact, live....what exactly do you think voting 3rd party for a presidential candidate is going to do? Do you incorrectly believe a 3rd party candidate actually stands a chance of winning despite the 3rd party candidate with the most votes in 2024 only receiving 0.5% of the total votes cast? Cuz if the Dems don't "woo" you, then you're either voting 3rd party or not voting at all, both of which accomplish nothing.

    Now, I'm not trying to knock voting 3rd party in local/state elections. That's literally the only way a 3rd party could ever possibly stand a chance of winning the presidency or a majority in either chamber of Congress at some point in the distant future. But there is literally no way, in reality, that is happening by 2028. No 3rd party even has a single member in Congress. So if that's the path you choose to take, you will absolutely protest vote until your right to vote is gone. Because fascists don't like democracy. They don't like voting.

    So it really confuses me that someone can look around and see what's happening, that myself and a ton of other people warned would happen, and STILL think it's wise to shit on your vote with a 3rd party or not vote at all knowing it'll only make the situation worse.

    Sometimes it's more important to acknowlege that you don't like the train you're on, but it serves yourself and others to help keep it from derailing. Especially if after you save the train you still have the possibility of voting to swap out cars on that train to make it a better train.

    I really don't know how to make a simpler analogy.

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