Does anyone have a coherent argument for abolishing ICE without repealing the laws in their official scope
What a nonsense caveat. Regardless of what they do or don't do, repealing or amending the applicable laws IS necessary to abolish that abomination. That's how the system works.
Ignoring that, the only things ICE ever did that other agencies didn't do before is dial the abuse of undocumented immigrants and anyone else caught in the crossfire up to 11 at first, roughly 175 by now.
It's the American SS or Gestapo and has precisely zero mitigating circumstances to even begin to justify its existence in a modern democracy.
ME ANGRY AT ICE! ME MAD!
is not a coherent argument.
Neither are your disingenuous strawmen.
Opposing misconduct, unlawful abuses, excessive budget & employees has nothing to do with whether there are legal enforcement duties demanding existence of enforcers.
Yes it does and here's why:
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As pointed out earlier, there's no need for the kinds of enforcement that ICE was created to carry out. On the contrary, it has only made the whole immigration situation MUCH worse than it would otherwise have been.
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Pretending for a second that reason 1 ISN'T enough, there's the question of proportionality: even IF they did anything to benefit society, there's an upper limit to the amount of abuse and waste thst said benefit would be worth.
No benefit is worth spending more than most countries spend on their armed forces on jackbooted thugs whose function is to abuse with impunity.
Acting illegally means any federal law enforcement can abuse authority the same as ICE
Nope. ICE was specifically created to visit MORE abuse on people with less oversight and fewer consequences. While other federal cops can (and far too often WILL) also abuse innocent "suspects", ICE is BY DESIGN more likely to do so with impunity.
An executive agency is just an organization administered by executives
Sure, there's no difference between regulatory agencies like the EPA and custodian entities like the Park Service and designated brown people hunters! 🙄🤦
They can even move the same employees & resources elsewhere
You can also hire a baseball player as your interior decorator. Doesn't make the jobs equivalent to each other.
Abolishing an executive agency doesn't stop the executive administration from reproducing the same abuses elsewhere
It DOES when part of the law you pass to do so specifically forbids those kinds of abuses and/or gets rid of so-called "qualified immunity".
They can withhold & misappropriated funds again as they've done before.
They can also murder people as some of them have done before. That doesn't mean that murder should be legal or not prosecuted.
discredit supporters as ignorant & incapable of thinking through stupid shit
Wow, the projection is strong with this one!
Getting ideas taken seriously at the very least requires ideas that aren't stupid AF.
Nah, people took the idea of creating ICE seriously to the point that they even did it. In spite of everything I've explained above about it being a mechanism for ethnic cleansing and abuse on purpose from day one.