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Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse (lemmy.ml)
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Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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[–] 2 points 9 months ago (14 children)

Well sure you can criticize Trump there. But try criticizing the CCCP, China, or Russia.

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  • [+] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Insistent propaganda talking points and trolling are tolerated if they are from the Russian or China/CCP perspective. Honestly that's about all there is on their news or politics discussions.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (10 children)

    You can criticize them as long as you aren't doing so from a liberal, anti-communist perspective. The genuine flaws of existing socialism are better analyzed by those that actually study socialism and socialist countries.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Ive been banned for criticzing the PRC explictly from a socialist perspective.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (8 children)

    You were temp-banned, for dogmatically repeating debunked claims pushed by liberals, in the face of evidence to the contrary. You appear to be free to comment there.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Didnt know it was temp. Thank you

    One was more despite the evidence of clear worker rights violations that was argued was fine because the state is "the workers". The second I got called to provide evidence (which sure no probs there) but then silenced lmao. Super frustrating.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    What you called "clear worker rights violations," was just the fact that unions are required to be a part of the All-China Federation of Trade Unions, and aren't allowed to be independent from that federation. This isn't a violation of worker rights, though, as the only purpose rogue unions would serve is undermining the socialist system, and would be vulnerable to foreign backing (such as from the US Empire).

    The socialist state is already run by the working classes, I recommend Roland Boer's Socialism in Power: On the Theory and History of Socialist Governance to get a better idea of how and why socialist countries hold the structures they do. Roland Boer also has a good book called Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners, which is more specifically about the PRC and goes beyond the structures of governance to the more broad system of socialism in China.

    Regarding your participation in MeanwhileOnGrad, you should know that EmoPunker cut off the final replies, where they called defenders of Pol Pot "genuine socialists." These are the kinds of posts on that comm, they selectively remove context that makes themselves look worse, deliberately misframe reasonable comments, and the comm itself is run by a zionist. This kind of anti-communist bar is a gathering spot for genuine fascists, but it seems you're fine with participating there.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I'm curious if you have any good video essays, I really enjoy learning while doing things, which is much more difficult with reading, though I have started Socialism With Chinese Characteristics and it is interesting!

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    Not nearly as in-depth due to time limits (and mostly focused on the Xi Jinping era) but Red Pen's A Summary of Xi Jinping's Governance of China can be a good primer! There's also This is how China's economic model works: Explaining Socialism with Chinese Characteristics by Geopolitical Economy Report.

    Really, in order to understand the PRC, you at least need to understand Mao, the Gang of Four, Deng Xiaoping, and Xi Jinping. There were other leaders, but these have perhaps had the largest impact on the PRC of today. Xi Jinping Thought upholds Mao Zedong Thought and Deng Xiaoping Theory, while believing the Gang of Four to have been left-deviationists and the Cultural Revolution to have contained more excess than was worth.

    Also, the Prolewiki page for Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners is pretty poorly formatted, and extremely lengthy, so I recommend either going to the anna's archive link and downloading the source directly, or reading these:

    1. Qiao Collective's Introductory Socialism with Chinese Characteristics Study Guide

    2. Socialism with Chinese Characteristics ProleWiki page

    3. Socialist Market Economy ProleWiki Page

    4. People's Republic of China ProleWiki Page

    5. My "Read Theory, Darn It!" Introductory Marxist-Leninist Reading Guide

    6. Has China Turned to Capitalism? Reflections on the Transition from Capitalism to Socialism by Domenico Losurdo

    7. China Has Billionaires by Roderic Day

    8. The Long Game and its Contradictions

    9. Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism by Vladimir Lenin

    10. Super-Imperialism: The Origins and Fundamentals of U.S. World Dominance by Michael Hudson

    11. Marxism is a Science by Deng Xiaoping

    12. Regarding the Construction of Socialism With Chinese Characteristics by Xi Jinping

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Fair point those workers trying to organize against unfair labor practices would undermine the state. The state was surely handling super well already actually. /s

    Thank you for the reads though i will check those out even if we disagree on this so fat

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Rogue unions aren't simply "workers trying to organize against unfair labor practices," though, which is my point. There are already unions, and the state already punishes bad actors. There's extremely minimal grassroots opposition to the socialist system in China, so recognizing this context is important.

    And no problem, let me know if you have any questions!

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