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[–] 50 points 9 months ago (11 children)

They were stupid for supporting trump, but in truth, many of my friends are stupid and I love them anyway (and I hope they feel the same way about me). This act of stupidity is harder to forgive, but I suppose if they've come around I can learn to accept them as allies.

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  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Stupid and/or selfish, racist, etc.

    Everyone should be given the opportunity to make amends.

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  • [+] 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago*

    Sure. My statement isn't without nuance. If someone commits a crime, if they go along with hate speech, support a fascist regime, or impinge on peoples' rights in the name of a government, there should be legal consequence.

    But even then, and I understand this is the internet so I have to spell it out nice and clear for everyone, if someone has paid the price, done their sentence, and is honestly, and truly, and really reformed, that should be taken into consideration. That doesn't mean they can have every comfort back, or people need to forgive them, or anything else... but to remove all hope of redemption after someone has paid for their actions is bleak, dark, and does not embody humanist spirit.

    In other words, we don't have to be nice, but we also don't have to sink to their level.

    That said, if they do it again, they can go fucking die in a hole. Respectfully.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    No, even ICE, if they truly turn their backs on them. If they're never allowed to change then they can never change. That's stupid. What's the point of doing anything if we force our enemy to fight us forever anyway? You can't win (unless you kill them all).

    I'll take any ally we can get. Hell, they could even be the most useful allies. They're on the inside. If they see that it's evil and decide they want to fix things, they can feed information or sabotage it from within.

    This doesn't meant we totally forgive them. Justice means they're held accountable for their actions. However, this can be done after we win. Until then we need to leave the door at least ajar, because we're going to need as many allies as we can get.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    They were stupid for supporting trump

    No, they were lied to, just as anyone is when they support Democrats or Republicans. Yes, a small contingent are weird, culty fuckers who support everything their party does, but there's also a significant percentage who don't, and those who don't want Gestapo shit will need to learn to work with people who may think differently than they do.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago*

    No, they were lied to

    No, they chose to only believe the media sources telling them what they wanted to hear.

    These are not children, stop infantilizing them. This is the third time he ran, no one was ignorant of who he is.

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