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Immersion ruined because of black people? 🙄 (discuss.online)
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[–] 24 points 9 months ago (26 children)

North Africans had trade routes going all the way into modern day Tanzania, and a big chunk of modern day Sudan used to be part of Ancient Egypt. The Iliad itself mentions people from Sudan.

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  • [+] -24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (25 children)

    North Africans did, right. But we're talking about black Africans.

    Tbh the whole thing depends on what the character is trying to portray. If it tries to portray everyday normal Ancient Greek, yeah that's an issue. If it is meant to be someone from Ethiopia, something like that, yeah no issues.

    Unless the trailer shows what they're portraying (and imu the movie isn't even out yet) then the complaints are premature.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Like Aethiopians that are literally in the Illiad? Maybe Homer was woke too. /s

    There were some black people in the Mediterranean in ancient times. Egypt even had dynasties led by black people.

    Europeans didn't find about black people suddenly in the 14th century.

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  • [+] -25 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Are they portraying someone from Ethiopia or just some regular fella from Ancient Greece? That makes all the difference. Like said, if the trailer doesn't tell, it's premature upset.

    Nobody is debating existence of black people here lol

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (19 children)

    Like they literally exist in Greece today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_Greeks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Greeks

    Ignorance isn’t a sin, but you’re not even trying.

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (18 children)

    Like they literally exist in Greece today.

    today

    Uhh we're talking about Ancient Greece...

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (17 children)

    Did you read the articles? Guess not.

    These small communities are direct descendants of the ones from ancient Greece.

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    I don't see where the article mentions that these are direct descendants of people who moved to Greece in ancient times? Both articles seem to talk about Greeks in these other countries...

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    Ah, my bad. So it’s possible for Greeks to have travelled All the way to Ethiopia in ancient times and have populations that survived to this day, but not the other way around? Interesting way of thinking.

    Here you go then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avato

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago* (14 children)

    It's just that you keep linking to stuff that doesn't actually prove what you claim it does, while asking if I have read the articles...

    Your newest link:

    with roots dating back to Ottoman times

    I don't get what is the point of this conversation. You keep linking me stuff that doesn't actually talk about the topic...

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    Ever heard of the term “genetic admixture” and population dispersion / cultural assimilation?

    Let’s disregard Herodotus’ description of Colchians for now since it’s disputed.

    Here is an example of an ethically African population living in present-day Eastern Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Abkhazians

    Not to mention all the ethnic groups displaced during the population exchange during the Greco-Turkish war in the 1920s.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    This conversation is so weird. We're specifically talking about Ancient Greece and again and again you share stuff that isn't about Ancient Greece?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (11 children)

    bro theres plenty of sources stop being ignorant and start trying

    also yall are wrong. they were mostly people of colour somewhere between the two with some who were very white or black. we dont have much data on this because they frankly did not care about whether someone was white or black or anywhere in between.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Why not just post those actually relevant sources, my brother?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (9 children)

    There’s plenty of links and sources in this one. Not quite Wikipedia quality in my opinion, but still, one quick search. You a clearly not looking if I could find one in 5(ish) seconds, while you demand sources. I would like you to give source(s) for your opinion now. While it is more of an article about if they were racist, it does explore their skin tone. They were not white, nor were they black; they were somewhere in between. https://lucas.leeds.ac.uk/article/skin-colour-in-ancient-greece/

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    This doesn't seem to talk about the actual claim of if there were "plenty of black people in Ancient Greece". If it does, it seems to be buried in the study

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (7 children)

    It’s in there. I saw it. Takes a minute to find

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (6 children)

    I'd appericate if you'd quote the part since I couldn't find it

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    Just a min I’ll go find

    I was probably a bit tired while reading it and misinterpreted ! those but idk this is a pointless argument anyways and I’ll add more when I have the energy, you’ll have to remind me though

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    This pic didn’t fit in other comment

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Only thing relevant to the actual question if there were plenty of black people in Ancient Greece is the mention of how Ethiopians were exotic to them, which seems to speak against them being common sight

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    [disengage]

    I have more points, im just too tired for this

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