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No, not like that (lemmy.world)
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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

So how does telling people that Bernie got a fair shake equate to people needing to vote for progressives?

If anything that seems like it could be discouraging people. "Even Bernie couldn't get enough votes and he was treated fairly by the DNC".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    No. It's saying that not enough people are participating in the primaries. I'm saying that if people want change, they should stop bitching after the fact and fucking vote in the primaries, then vote Democrat no matter who the winner is in the primary.

    Instead, they throw hissy fits that feed the "both sides" bullshit that keeps people from supporting the non-fascists in the general elections.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    There is a way to encourage people to show up and vote for progressives in primaries, without excusing the DNCs undemocratic policies, dismissing the not insubstantial concerns of the left, and outright lying at the same time.

    Example sentence: "Yes, the DNC did do Bernie dirty and manipulated the process, but we must not let us stop us from showing up to the primaries and making our preferences heard."

    By doing the opposite of that it only serves to reinforce the idea that centrist neoliberals don't give a fuck about progressives, aren't willing to work with the left even if it means losing their support, and are willing to gaslight and straight up lie to push their agenda.

    Characterizing people who are understandably upset at the biases, manipulation, and underhanded techniques of party leadership as them "throwing a hissy fit" is myopic, condescending, and ignorant.

    Both sides are bad, and this is a prime example of why that is.

    Again, that didn't stop us from practicing harm reduction and voting for the lesser of two evils in the general elections.

    Even if that weren't the case, blaming leftists for the DNCs fuckups is only going to convince us that we will never get anywhere by trying to get the Democrats on board with progressivism and that a strong 3rd party is our only option if we ever want to have a hope of seeing effective leadership.

    I don't think that strategy would work in the short term, and it would probably take the Dems and Progressives losing at least one more election to the fascists before we could gain enough support to win.

    I'd rather the Democrats stop being a barrier to progress, but it looks as if they aren't going to give us a choice and people like you excusing their behavior is only going to help make that a certainty.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The makeup of the DNC is ultimately decided at the primaries. The people that participate in those primaries are those that determine the party's path. If primary voters had selected Bernie in 2016 or 2020, he'd have been the nominee, and he'd have been President (in 2020 - 2 democrats haven't been elected into office back-to-back since before the Civil War).

    If he'd have been the nominee and become President, the "party establishment" would have moved left. But the majority of voters in the primaries and caucuses rejected him.

    If you want a progressive, you need to support them up front. But you also absolutely must follow-up with the message that doing anything other than voting for the Dems in the general is a vote for the GOP, even if your favorite primary candidate isn't nominated.

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