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[–] -2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Yeah it's not just lemmy but it's certainly prevalent here. I think the allure is that it can feel 'sophisticated' and 'aware' to be cynical, but it is annoying.

Especially the anti-natalists OMFG. 'Having children is like totally selfish and inmoral' oh jeez shut your trap. Like I get the anti-hyper-natalists because having like 5 children is also completely nutso these days, but. Well anyway.

Tl;Dr: totally, dude

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  • [+] -11 points 9 months ago

    Antinatalists are the most annoying kind, with their cheap ass edgy morality that at the end of the day, is just a means to try and feel superior, somehow, to other people.

    Demograpic collapse is way more scary than any of those SciFi depictions of overcrowded cities... no doubt in under developed countries there is a real problem with that, but in so much the rest of the world, the problem is literally the opposite, people are getting old and the each new generation has to carry a weight that is not theirs, things like retirement will become impossible.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    its an undeniable fact that choosing to have children is a act of selfishness. As long as you're choosing to have said child, you're the only reason that child exists and you're doing it because you want it

    obviously it's not immoral though

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah this is also stupid because society would collapse if no one had children. Even a lowered birth rate is a calamity for a civilization. You should honestly be thankful everyday that people are brave enough to believe in the hope that their children might live in a better world because that's the only way you're going to be able to enjoy the rest of your life.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago*

    Yeah this is also stupid because society would collapse if everyone had 4 children. I'm not quite sure why you brought that up.

    no one is having children to benefit society.

    people have a right to have children to increase their own quality life and that's perfectly fine. I'm not denying the continuation of a race depends on procreation, but that's not an intelligent beings primary rationale

    Don't try to say they're doing it for me, it's delusional to think anyone is having a child for anyone else but themselves. (as long as they chose to have the child)

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    I think it's perfectly deniable that it's selfish if you believe your children would have more valuable existences if they existed than if they didn't, and there's some value in their lives. You do things because you decided to do them, not necessarily because they benefit you -- unless you believe you can trivially reduce all motivation to selfishness (which then reduces to the concept of selfishness to something so trite as to be meaningless)

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