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[+] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 5 points 9 months ago* (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago (2 children) I’ve seen the word “professionalism” come up in a lot of people’s complaints about nuTrek, but that concept of professional behaviour is something I just don’t value. If the people you’re working with stop respecting you because you choose to sit comfortably or let out an exuberant “fuck yeah!” when things go great, I think you’re working with the wrong people. I think only unserious and immature people would worry about that. I’m also one of those who embraces the “scientists” view of Starfleet over the “military” view, so that might be a factor. I like to see the crew comfortable at their jobs and loving what they do. So all of that is to say I’m 110% down with Holly Hunter letting her piggies out, and I don’t think that reflects badly on her or her gender in the least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 9 months ago* (1 child) The word "professionalism" here a common dogwhistle for "obedience" and "conformity". It's use in this context is almost exclusively directed towards women, but also sometimes to black men. When Micheal Burhnam disobeys orders it's "unprofessional", when Worf or Picard does it, it's "bold". When Ake sits down unconventionally it's "unprofessional", when Riker does it, it's a quirky and beloved part of his character. etc. etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago Yeah I’d say you hit the nail on the head. In a franchise that thought Spock saying his superiors should “go to hell” was such a great line they had Data ape it two films later, “professional” seems to be a label some characters have easier access to than others. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I have a friend with autism who has trouble wearing shoes, and faces social judgement for it. To Me, Chancellor Ake is representation. SFA is woke. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kirk@startrek.website 6 points 9 months ago I guarantee that guy never once made an internet post about how Riker sits permalink fedilink source parent [–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 8 points 9 months ago (4 children) Well said. The unprofessional behavior is a significant contributor to turning me off nutrek. Why the hell do the engineering and science departments in discovery behave like 20 year olds in need of therapy? How the fuck did these people pass starfleet academy at all? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kirk@startrek.website 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) I can see someone else behaving like a 20 year old in need of therapy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago Sadly i am a little older than that, the therapy part is accurate though. I am however not a highly trained, best of the best, sci fi astronaut academy graduate charged with overseeing a critical element of a colossal machine designed to violate the laws of physics; so why does that matter? permalink fedilink source parent [+] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 5 points 9 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 3 points 9 months ago Another one who wasn’t actually paying attention to the scenario or the dialogue while criticizing the show for being ‘dumbed down’ for younger audiences. I admit I’m losing patience. Dudes!!! This takes place when the Academy is being recreated after Starfleet and the Federation were seen to have failed large portion of the galaxy after the Burn. This means that this class DID NOT complete with the best and the brightest across a well connected Federation with a common base of expectations. They passed the entrance exams but it was not the same as a stable 24th century scenario, or even the early 25th century where Picard’s son was fast tracked based on experience. Some, like Genesis, are from multi generational Starfleet families that hung on in secret bases during a century of anarch. Most of the rest are off their planets or out of their small cluster of planets for the first time in their or their parents’ lives. Others are the first of their species to enter Starfleet and are there for political reasons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sirblastalot@ttrpg.network 1 point 9 months ago I think it's fine if they act like highschoolers in a show for highschoolers. It just means that's not a show that's for me. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago (2 children) I’ve seen the word “professionalism” come up in a lot of people’s complaints about nuTrek, but that concept of professional behaviour is something I just don’t value. If the people you’re working with stop respecting you because you choose to sit comfortably or let out an exuberant “fuck yeah!” when things go great, I think you’re working with the wrong people. I think only unserious and immature people would worry about that. I’m also one of those who embraces the “scientists” view of Starfleet over the “military” view, so that might be a factor. I like to see the crew comfortable at their jobs and loving what they do. So all of that is to say I’m 110% down with Holly Hunter letting her piggies out, and I don’t think that reflects badly on her or her gender in the least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 9 months ago* (1 child) The word "professionalism" here a common dogwhistle for "obedience" and "conformity". It's use in this context is almost exclusively directed towards women, but also sometimes to black men. When Micheal Burhnam disobeys orders it's "unprofessional", when Worf or Picard does it, it's "bold". When Ake sits down unconventionally it's "unprofessional", when Riker does it, it's a quirky and beloved part of his character. etc. etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago Yeah I’d say you hit the nail on the head. In a franchise that thought Spock saying his superiors should “go to hell” was such a great line they had Data ape it two films later, “professional” seems to be a label some characters have easier access to than others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 9 months ago* (1 child) The word "professionalism" here a common dogwhistle for "obedience" and "conformity". It's use in this context is almost exclusively directed towards women, but also sometimes to black men. When Micheal Burhnam disobeys orders it's "unprofessional", when Worf or Picard does it, it's "bold". When Ake sits down unconventionally it's "unprofessional", when Riker does it, it's a quirky and beloved part of his character. etc. etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago Yeah I’d say you hit the nail on the head. In a franchise that thought Spock saying his superiors should “go to hell” was such a great line they had Data ape it two films later, “professional” seems to be a label some characters have easier access to than others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago Yeah I’d say you hit the nail on the head. In a franchise that thought Spock saying his superiors should “go to hell” was such a great line they had Data ape it two films later, “professional” seems to be a label some characters have easier access to than others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 6 points 9 months ago (1 child) I have a friend with autism who has trouble wearing shoes, and faces social judgement for it. To Me, Chancellor Ake is representation. SFA is woke. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kirk@startrek.website 6 points 9 months ago I guarantee that guy never once made an internet post about how Riker sits permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kirk@startrek.website 6 points 9 months ago I guarantee that guy never once made an internet post about how Riker sits permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 8 points 9 months ago (4 children) Well said. The unprofessional behavior is a significant contributor to turning me off nutrek. Why the hell do the engineering and science departments in discovery behave like 20 year olds in need of therapy? How the fuck did these people pass starfleet academy at all? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kirk@startrek.website 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) I can see someone else behaving like a 20 year old in need of therapy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago Sadly i am a little older than that, the therapy part is accurate though. I am however not a highly trained, best of the best, sci fi astronaut academy graduate charged with overseeing a critical element of a colossal machine designed to violate the laws of physics; so why does that matter? permalink fedilink source parent [+] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 5 points 9 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 3 points 9 months ago Another one who wasn’t actually paying attention to the scenario or the dialogue while criticizing the show for being ‘dumbed down’ for younger audiences. I admit I’m losing patience. Dudes!!! This takes place when the Academy is being recreated after Starfleet and the Federation were seen to have failed large portion of the galaxy after the Burn. This means that this class DID NOT complete with the best and the brightest across a well connected Federation with a common base of expectations. They passed the entrance exams but it was not the same as a stable 24th century scenario, or even the early 25th century where Picard’s son was fast tracked based on experience. Some, like Genesis, are from multi generational Starfleet families that hung on in secret bases during a century of anarch. Most of the rest are off their planets or out of their small cluster of planets for the first time in their or their parents’ lives. Others are the first of their species to enter Starfleet and are there for political reasons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sirblastalot@ttrpg.network 1 point 9 months ago I think it's fine if they act like highschoolers in a show for highschoolers. It just means that's not a show that's for me. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Kirk@startrek.website 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) I can see someone else behaving like a 20 year old in need of therapy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago Sadly i am a little older than that, the therapy part is accurate though. I am however not a highly trained, best of the best, sci fi astronaut academy graduate charged with overseeing a critical element of a colossal machine designed to violate the laws of physics; so why does that matter? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago Sadly i am a little older than that, the therapy part is accurate though. I am however not a highly trained, best of the best, sci fi astronaut academy graduate charged with overseeing a critical element of a colossal machine designed to violate the laws of physics; so why does that matter? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 5 points 9 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 3 points 9 months ago Another one who wasn’t actually paying attention to the scenario or the dialogue while criticizing the show for being ‘dumbed down’ for younger audiences. I admit I’m losing patience. Dudes!!! This takes place when the Academy is being recreated after Starfleet and the Federation were seen to have failed large portion of the galaxy after the Burn. This means that this class DID NOT complete with the best and the brightest across a well connected Federation with a common base of expectations. They passed the entrance exams but it was not the same as a stable 24th century scenario, or even the early 25th century where Picard’s son was fast tracked based on experience. Some, like Genesis, are from multi generational Starfleet families that hung on in secret bases during a century of anarch. Most of the rest are off their planets or out of their small cluster of planets for the first time in their or their parents’ lives. Others are the first of their species to enter Starfleet and are there for political reasons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sirblastalot@ttrpg.network 1 point 9 months ago I think it's fine if they act like highschoolers in a show for highschoolers. It just means that's not a show that's for me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 3 points 9 months ago Another one who wasn’t actually paying attention to the scenario or the dialogue while criticizing the show for being ‘dumbed down’ for younger audiences. I admit I’m losing patience. Dudes!!! This takes place when the Academy is being recreated after Starfleet and the Federation were seen to have failed large portion of the galaxy after the Burn. This means that this class DID NOT complete with the best and the brightest across a well connected Federation with a common base of expectations. They passed the entrance exams but it was not the same as a stable 24th century scenario, or even the early 25th century where Picard’s son was fast tracked based on experience. Some, like Genesis, are from multi generational Starfleet families that hung on in secret bases during a century of anarch. Most of the rest are off their planets or out of their small cluster of planets for the first time in their or their parents’ lives. Others are the first of their species to enter Starfleet and are there for political reasons. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sirblastalot@ttrpg.network 1 point 9 months ago I think it's fine if they act like highschoolers in a show for highschoolers. It just means that's not a show that's for me. permalink fedilink source parent
