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ya, but did she really flip burgers...? (lemmy.ca)
submitted 10 months ago by to c/agedlikemilk@sh.itjust.works
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[–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

There would be no ice raids like this all over the country. No tarrifs. No allies lost due to insults and threats. No threats against lgbtq+, no concentration camps for immigrants(or no newer ones from bidens term. No loss of Nato. No that of nuclear proliferation. Stronger Ukraine. And less support for Israel and more support for Palestine though obviously not to the level needed.

It's like being ok with Hitler because MacArthur Churchill hated Indians.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Sure. But this goes right back to the idea that centrists can't imagine anyone thinks, believes, or acts differently than they do.

    You clearly follow utilitarian ethics. But others don't. Seriously, two of the main branches of ethical philosophy are utilitarianism and respect for persons. You clearly follow, or at least pretend you follow, utilitarian ethics. But moral philosophers have long recognized the severe limitations on judging everything based on only the greater good. Most of histories greatest atrocities were done in the name of utilitarian ethics. Hell, everything Trump does is baed on utilitarianism, completely rejecting the respect for persons branch of ethical philosophy. Fucking Mengele justified what he did based on appealing to the greater good.

    A respect for persons framework in voting would say that true red lines do exist. You can't just look at the utilitarian consequences of your vote; you have to ask if the candidate you're voting for has truly done something unforgiveable.

    When you solely focus on utilitarian principles, you are ironically aligning yourself morally with MAGA far more than you know. You both say the ends justify the means.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    And less support for Israel and more support for Palestine though obviously not to the level needed.

    You don't know that. Regardless, I guess this all could have been avoided had Harris not alienated her own constituency by playing a game of Who's the bigger narcissist.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I can confidently say that israel receives more support and less restraint with Trump than anyone else. Literally. He loves tyrants.

    this isn't some wild conjecture.

    Regardless, I guess this all could have been avoided had Harris not alienated her own constituency by playing a game of Who’s the bigger narcissist.

    yeah and kerry was a commie and dean's scream should have ended his campaign. there's always some great reason to dump solid candidates when you believe BULLSHIT

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    "BULLSHIT" like believing Harris would be better on Palestine?

    or

    "BULLSHIT" like the 2020 Democratic Primary Results -The last primary she participated in and concidentally where she received less than 1% of the vote?

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago

    keep changing the subject.

    you can choose to be apathetic, you can choose to stick your head in the sand, but it won't change the fact that kids in palestine would be better off today - and now they're getting trump fucked. great fucking job

    you can choose to ignore reality, you seem very experienced there

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