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Newsom Vows to Stop Proposed Billionaire Tax in California (www.nytimes.com)
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Gov. Gavin Newsom said he was working behind the scenes to block a proposed tax on billionaires’ wealth and was committed to defeating the measure if it reached the ballot.

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[–] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

No, the “dopes” are right. If you refuse to vote against the worst presidents in history because the other person wasn’t good enough, you’re a fucking moron and you deserve what you get.

It is 100% your fault if you refuse to vote.

I can’t imagine being a major reason Trump got elected and still thinking I’m right. Fuck.

Hurrr durr there were just no good candidates to vote for, against the worst president in U.S. history! Whatever can I do??

Legitimately, how fucking stupid are you? And you call other people “dopes.”

I know you will never admit to it because you think you’re too smart (look at the incredible amount of text wasted below laying 100% of the blame on the DNC), but you’re all the problem.

Trump voters and non-voters are equally at fault. Non-voters voted for Trump, so enjoy your candidate!

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (9 children)

    It's a lose-lose scenario innit. Don't vote, give tacit support for growing fascism, vote, give tacit approval for the DNCs continuous onslaught of dogshit candidates who will do nothing to fight growing fascism or improve the material conditions for Americans.

    None of it matters if you don't live in a battleground state, to be fair. If you're in a firm blue or red state, your vote simply doesn't matter.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (8 children)

    It’s lose-lose but it’s painfully obvious one loss is worse than the other.

    Too many people let perfect be the enemy of good, and that’s why they keep making it worse.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Yup. Lose big fast or lose big slow. It's politics, baby, you'll never win, that's for rich people only.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    Slow. Slow has always been the better choice.

    Oh I’m going to delete all the rest of these comments because they’re just getting petty downvoted!

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yup. And the DNC will take advantage of that fear to put forth candidates who will maintain the new status quo and fix nothing. The RNC will capitalize on the voter apathy and disconnect the DNC manufacturers and push the country further right.

    Repeat ad nauseum. There's no solving this via elections, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't participate in it.

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  • [+] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    No, they weren't perfect. Far from it. They were terrible choices put forth by one of the most powerful political machines on this planet, chosen to be just palatable enough to try and eek out a win from a further and further disconnected and disenfranchised populace. The DNC gambled and lost.

    Skirting the primaries and forcing Kamala Harris onto voters was a massive folly that bypassed the people's right to play a part in picking the candidate.

    Are they preferable? Sure. I'd rather you attack me with a hack saw than a chain saw.

    It's hard to completely blame the nonvoters, though. They're just doing what they were taught in civics classes, voting for the candidates that best represented their interests. There weren't any candidates they believed would actually address their issues. And there weren't. And there won't be. Americans were taught to participate in democracy in good faith but unfortunately only the electorate plays that way, the politicians and parties do not.

    At some point, the onus must fall on the DNC to actually do their job and pick likable candidates and not just the voters to just fall in line with whoever the party says they will vote for. What's wanted isn't a mystery. It isn't hidden. The DNC elects to avoid trying to actually help Americans and instead continues to cater to the wealthy just as the RNC does. But with a little different flavor.

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  • [+] -1 points 10 months ago* (1 child)
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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago*

    Honey, the media amplified what people had been saying for years. Biden was too old, incapable and a truly terrible candidate. That had echoed during his primary and during his entire presidency where his administration did very little to improve things for Americans and less to prevent the rise of fascism. This country has previously weaponized its various departments, overtly and covertly, against left wing activists and politicians and routinely does fuck all against the right.

    The DNC isn't blameless here. Yes, people should vote against fascism, but also the opposition to fascism has a duty to select people who actively oppose fascism, not some pig and a doting old fool who didn't recognize that politics have changed since the 80's.

    The DNC is the party of moderate neoliberal policy and stands for the entrenchment of capital consolidation. It's no wonder that doesn't get people off their asses and to the polls. It does nothing for them and arguably just exacerbates the conditions that set demagogues like Trump up for victory.

    Newsom will do the same. He'll probably win because of how American politics flip flop, he'll do nothing to change any fucking thing, then the DNC will cry woe and we can blame nonvoters again for when he inevitably loses to whatever new monster the RNC chooses.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Kicking the can down the road is not a solution. The Democrats keep running dog shit centrist candidates that alienate their base and are blown away when they keep loosing elections.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Oh I meant to block you the other day for the other stupid things you said!

    You’re the one who is advocating for violence against the government while… not doing anything.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Do you feel better? Did your rant change anything? Do you think you’ll win people to your cause by insulting them?

    Did the non-voters that voted for Trump also vote for Kamala? I mean that’s what it would be if you were a Trump supporter right? You can’t have it both ways Marie. Maybe the Dems could even run on something that’s good for us poors and encourage us to vote for them instead of FUCKING ALWAYS being the LeSsOr oF TwO eVilS.

    I live in a blue state and voted for Biden lite. It doesn’t matter who I vote for because the state is blue. Still voted. Still got sweet potato hitler.

    Maybe the DNC will get their shit together before it’s too late. But they’ll probably run a dipshit like Kamala or Gavin again and get their asses handed to them. Evidence of this is plenty, but even now the vast majority of the Dems are quiet. They could be running opo like the MAGAts were, but nooooo…. Let’s just keep being nice and see how it goes.

    I sincerely hope I’m wrong and someone like Mamdani, AOC, Katie Porter, Stacy Abrams, etc. arrives to fix it. It just doesn’t seem like that’s gonna happen.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Do you think you’ll win people

    Do you think you deserve to be won over? Is that something you feel you're entitled to? Why do we have to win people over instead of simply asking them to employ critical thinking to make the best realistic decisions? Because they're dumb and need to be coddled?

    Did the non-voters that voted for Trump also vote for Kamala?

    Not voting and inadvertently helping the worst possible candidate is not the same as not voting and inadvertently helping the not worst possible candidate. You're simply saying "I could care less whether we're in a bad situation or a really, really bad situation", which is objectively childish and stupid.

    Maybe the Dems could even run on something that’s good for us poors

    Spoken like someone who pays absolutely no attention to anything of substance. I recommend you devote some of your very precious time into reviewing the voting history of both parties. You will quickly see a pattern of Dems consistently voting for bills that help middle/lower class Americans and Republicans almost never doing so. If you had actually paid attention during Biden's presidency, you would know this was also the case during his term. A wave of legislation meant to help average Americans. Again, utilize your time actually looking this stuff up instead of posting garbage comments on social media.

    You need to understand that the Dems you mentioned as ideal candidates may simply not be able to win. People constantly complain about Bernie being shafted, but the bottom line is he lost the popular vote in the primaries. He wasn't as popular in reality as he was online.

    It sounds like you "swallowed your pride" and voted Kamala. Great. You don't deserve an award. That was basic common sense. I guess just be glad you have that when so many others do not.

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