▲ 822 ▼ History will not be kind to the USA (crazypeople.online) submitted 10 months ago by hamid@crazypeople.online to c/memes@lemmy.ml 207 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] hamid@crazypeople.online [S] 7 points 10 months ago (12 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] masterflappie@europe.pub -10 points 10 months ago (11 children) Colonialism was not capitalism, there's nothing capitalist about taking prisoners and stealing land for government charted monopolies. Meanwhile northern Europe has the highest standard of living, healthcare quality, accessibility and life expectancy. And all of it is being paid for with the spoils of capitalism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online [S] 13 points 10 months ago* (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] masterflappie@europe.pub -7 points 10 months ago (5 children) Talk with some actual capitalists, and they'll all tell you that their core values are pretty much the opposite of whatever you're describing here. Capitalism is simply the most successful system in the world, so it's an easy target for edgy teens who want something to blame for their failures. But please do tell me how I'm exploiting the world, or how I'm violent or racist. Maybe you can call me an fascist incel so the word salad has all the cool things kids say nowadays permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (1 child) Brazil follows the great northern European style of capitalism and this shit doesn't work if you don't exploit the global south. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -3 points 10 months ago Brazil? Their maximum tax bracket isn't even half of what I'm currently paying in taxes, and I'm not even in the highest bracket permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Y'know, I was expecting a word salad of being called an incel, instead this is just a word salad of calling everything a monopoly. Half of the things you point to here are governmental actions, not capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system, not an ideology, it doesn't control what the government should or shouldn't do. And none of it even relates to the topic at hand, which was colonialism. And financial oligarchies are 100% just a hallucination, prettied up in fancy words so it sounds like you're making an argument. You do not need permission from an oligarchy to make financial transactions. If the global north would stop trading with the global south, to "fix" this supposed exploitation, people like you would be the first to start crying about how an embargo on the south is preventing them from moving up the value chain in production. There is no logic here, just accusations. You have nothing to show but an attitude permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 6 points 10 months ago This is the third time you say you expected to be called an incel. 95% of people who think the left just calls everybody a Nazi turn out to be Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aelis@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago* Dude's on another planet xD wtf 💀 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -5 points 10 months ago (4 children) Private property and freedom of association are core aspects of capitalism, colonialism did none of those things. Capitalism didn't arrive in the colonies until the colonists left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 1Malayali@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (1 child) Slaves were considered private property in the USAmerica, right? Was USAmerica a colony during their civil war? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -2 points 10 months ago Private property alone doesn't make capitalism, by that logic the ancient civilzations of egypt and sumer would already be capitalist. Capitalism is a collection of ideas, from the right to own private property to freedom of association, none of which is compatible with slavery. Which is a big reason why the capitalist countries were the first to outlaw slavery. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -1 points 10 months ago (1 child) just what exactly is liberal about invading foreign countries and submitting them to production quota's at the threat of death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -4 points 10 months ago Liberalism is the ideology of advocating for liberty. Invading foreign coutnries and submitting them to production quota's at the threat of death is not liberty. I recommend reading a dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/liberalism permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-2 replies)
[+] masterflappie@europe.pub -10 points 10 months ago (11 children) Colonialism was not capitalism, there's nothing capitalist about taking prisoners and stealing land for government charted monopolies. Meanwhile northern Europe has the highest standard of living, healthcare quality, accessibility and life expectancy. And all of it is being paid for with the spoils of capitalism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online [S] 13 points 10 months ago* (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] masterflappie@europe.pub -7 points 10 months ago (5 children) Talk with some actual capitalists, and they'll all tell you that their core values are pretty much the opposite of whatever you're describing here. Capitalism is simply the most successful system in the world, so it's an easy target for edgy teens who want something to blame for their failures. But please do tell me how I'm exploiting the world, or how I'm violent or racist. Maybe you can call me an fascist incel so the word salad has all the cool things kids say nowadays permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (1 child) Brazil follows the great northern European style of capitalism and this shit doesn't work if you don't exploit the global south. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -3 points 10 months ago Brazil? Their maximum tax bracket isn't even half of what I'm currently paying in taxes, and I'm not even in the highest bracket permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Y'know, I was expecting a word salad of being called an incel, instead this is just a word salad of calling everything a monopoly. Half of the things you point to here are governmental actions, not capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system, not an ideology, it doesn't control what the government should or shouldn't do. And none of it even relates to the topic at hand, which was colonialism. And financial oligarchies are 100% just a hallucination, prettied up in fancy words so it sounds like you're making an argument. You do not need permission from an oligarchy to make financial transactions. If the global north would stop trading with the global south, to "fix" this supposed exploitation, people like you would be the first to start crying about how an embargo on the south is preventing them from moving up the value chain in production. There is no logic here, just accusations. You have nothing to show but an attitude permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 6 points 10 months ago This is the third time you say you expected to be called an incel. 95% of people who think the left just calls everybody a Nazi turn out to be Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aelis@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago* Dude's on another planet xD wtf 💀 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -5 points 10 months ago (4 children) Private property and freedom of association are core aspects of capitalism, colonialism did none of those things. Capitalism didn't arrive in the colonies until the colonists left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 1Malayali@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (1 child) Slaves were considered private property in the USAmerica, right? Was USAmerica a colony during their civil war? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -2 points 10 months ago Private property alone doesn't make capitalism, by that logic the ancient civilzations of egypt and sumer would already be capitalist. Capitalism is a collection of ideas, from the right to own private property to freedom of association, none of which is compatible with slavery. Which is a big reason why the capitalist countries were the first to outlaw slavery. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -1 points 10 months ago (1 child) just what exactly is liberal about invading foreign countries and submitting them to production quota's at the threat of death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -4 points 10 months ago Liberalism is the ideology of advocating for liberty. Invading foreign coutnries and submitting them to production quota's at the threat of death is not liberty. I recommend reading a dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/liberalism permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-2 replies)
[+] hamid@crazypeople.online [S] 13 points 10 months ago* (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] masterflappie@europe.pub -7 points 10 months ago (5 children) Talk with some actual capitalists, and they'll all tell you that their core values are pretty much the opposite of whatever you're describing here. Capitalism is simply the most successful system in the world, so it's an easy target for edgy teens who want something to blame for their failures. But please do tell me how I'm exploiting the world, or how I'm violent or racist. Maybe you can call me an fascist incel so the word salad has all the cool things kids say nowadays permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (1 child) Brazil follows the great northern European style of capitalism and this shit doesn't work if you don't exploit the global south. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -3 points 10 months ago Brazil? Their maximum tax bracket isn't even half of what I'm currently paying in taxes, and I'm not even in the highest bracket permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Y'know, I was expecting a word salad of being called an incel, instead this is just a word salad of calling everything a monopoly. Half of the things you point to here are governmental actions, not capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system, not an ideology, it doesn't control what the government should or shouldn't do. And none of it even relates to the topic at hand, which was colonialism. And financial oligarchies are 100% just a hallucination, prettied up in fancy words so it sounds like you're making an argument. You do not need permission from an oligarchy to make financial transactions. If the global north would stop trading with the global south, to "fix" this supposed exploitation, people like you would be the first to start crying about how an embargo on the south is preventing them from moving up the value chain in production. There is no logic here, just accusations. You have nothing to show but an attitude permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 6 points 10 months ago This is the third time you say you expected to be called an incel. 95% of people who think the left just calls everybody a Nazi turn out to be Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aelis@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago* Dude's on another planet xD wtf 💀 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] masterflappie@europe.pub -7 points 10 months ago (5 children) Talk with some actual capitalists, and they'll all tell you that their core values are pretty much the opposite of whatever you're describing here. Capitalism is simply the most successful system in the world, so it's an easy target for edgy teens who want something to blame for their failures. But please do tell me how I'm exploiting the world, or how I'm violent or racist. Maybe you can call me an fascist incel so the word salad has all the cool things kids say nowadays permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (1 child) Brazil follows the great northern European style of capitalism and this shit doesn't work if you don't exploit the global south. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -3 points 10 months ago Brazil? Their maximum tax bracket isn't even half of what I'm currently paying in taxes, and I'm not even in the highest bracket permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Y'know, I was expecting a word salad of being called an incel, instead this is just a word salad of calling everything a monopoly. Half of the things you point to here are governmental actions, not capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system, not an ideology, it doesn't control what the government should or shouldn't do. And none of it even relates to the topic at hand, which was colonialism. And financial oligarchies are 100% just a hallucination, prettied up in fancy words so it sounds like you're making an argument. You do not need permission from an oligarchy to make financial transactions. If the global north would stop trading with the global south, to "fix" this supposed exploitation, people like you would be the first to start crying about how an embargo on the south is preventing them from moving up the value chain in production. There is no logic here, just accusations. You have nothing to show but an attitude permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 6 points 10 months ago This is the third time you say you expected to be called an incel. 95% of people who think the left just calls everybody a Nazi turn out to be Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aelis@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago* Dude's on another planet xD wtf 💀 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (1 child) Brazil follows the great northern European style of capitalism and this shit doesn't work if you don't exploit the global south. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -3 points 10 months ago Brazil? Their maximum tax bracket isn't even half of what I'm currently paying in taxes, and I'm not even in the highest bracket permalink fedilink source parent
[–] masterflappie@europe.pub -3 points 10 months ago Brazil? Their maximum tax bracket isn't even half of what I'm currently paying in taxes, and I'm not even in the highest bracket permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Y'know, I was expecting a word salad of being called an incel, instead this is just a word salad of calling everything a monopoly. Half of the things you point to here are governmental actions, not capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system, not an ideology, it doesn't control what the government should or shouldn't do. And none of it even relates to the topic at hand, which was colonialism. And financial oligarchies are 100% just a hallucination, prettied up in fancy words so it sounds like you're making an argument. You do not need permission from an oligarchy to make financial transactions. If the global north would stop trading with the global south, to "fix" this supposed exploitation, people like you would be the first to start crying about how an embargo on the south is preventing them from moving up the value chain in production. There is no logic here, just accusations. You have nothing to show but an attitude permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 6 points 10 months ago This is the third time you say you expected to be called an incel. 95% of people who think the left just calls everybody a Nazi turn out to be Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] masterflappie@europe.pub -4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Y'know, I was expecting a word salad of being called an incel, instead this is just a word salad of calling everything a monopoly. Half of the things you point to here are governmental actions, not capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system, not an ideology, it doesn't control what the government should or shouldn't do. And none of it even relates to the topic at hand, which was colonialism. And financial oligarchies are 100% just a hallucination, prettied up in fancy words so it sounds like you're making an argument. You do not need permission from an oligarchy to make financial transactions. If the global north would stop trading with the global south, to "fix" this supposed exploitation, people like you would be the first to start crying about how an embargo on the south is preventing them from moving up the value chain in production. There is no logic here, just accusations. You have nothing to show but an attitude permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 6 points 10 months ago This is the third time you say you expected to be called an incel. 95% of people who think the left just calls everybody a Nazi turn out to be Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 6 points 10 months ago This is the third time you say you expected to be called an incel. 95% of people who think the left just calls everybody a Nazi turn out to be Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aelis@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago* Dude's on another planet xD wtf 💀 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -5 points 10 months ago (4 children) Private property and freedom of association are core aspects of capitalism, colonialism did none of those things. Capitalism didn't arrive in the colonies until the colonists left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 1Malayali@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (1 child) Slaves were considered private property in the USAmerica, right? Was USAmerica a colony during their civil war? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -2 points 10 months ago Private property alone doesn't make capitalism, by that logic the ancient civilzations of egypt and sumer would already be capitalist. Capitalism is a collection of ideas, from the right to own private property to freedom of association, none of which is compatible with slavery. Which is a big reason why the capitalist countries were the first to outlaw slavery. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -1 points 10 months ago (1 child) just what exactly is liberal about invading foreign countries and submitting them to production quota's at the threat of death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -4 points 10 months ago Liberalism is the ideology of advocating for liberty. Invading foreign coutnries and submitting them to production quota's at the threat of death is not liberty. I recommend reading a dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/liberalism permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] masterflappie@europe.pub -5 points 10 months ago (4 children) Private property and freedom of association are core aspects of capitalism, colonialism did none of those things. Capitalism didn't arrive in the colonies until the colonists left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 1Malayali@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (1 child) Slaves were considered private property in the USAmerica, right? Was USAmerica a colony during their civil war? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -2 points 10 months ago Private property alone doesn't make capitalism, by that logic the ancient civilzations of egypt and sumer would already be capitalist. Capitalism is a collection of ideas, from the right to own private property to freedom of association, none of which is compatible with slavery. Which is a big reason why the capitalist countries were the first to outlaw slavery. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -1 points 10 months ago (1 child) just what exactly is liberal about invading foreign countries and submitting them to production quota's at the threat of death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -4 points 10 months ago Liberalism is the ideology of advocating for liberty. Invading foreign coutnries and submitting them to production quota's at the threat of death is not liberty. I recommend reading a dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/liberalism permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] 1Malayali@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (1 child) Slaves were considered private property in the USAmerica, right? Was USAmerica a colony during their civil war? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -2 points 10 months ago Private property alone doesn't make capitalism, by that logic the ancient civilzations of egypt and sumer would already be capitalist. Capitalism is a collection of ideas, from the right to own private property to freedom of association, none of which is compatible with slavery. Which is a big reason why the capitalist countries were the first to outlaw slavery. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] masterflappie@europe.pub -2 points 10 months ago Private property alone doesn't make capitalism, by that logic the ancient civilzations of egypt and sumer would already be capitalist. Capitalism is a collection of ideas, from the right to own private property to freedom of association, none of which is compatible with slavery. Which is a big reason why the capitalist countries were the first to outlaw slavery. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -1 points 10 months ago (1 child) just what exactly is liberal about invading foreign countries and submitting them to production quota's at the threat of death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -4 points 10 months ago Liberalism is the ideology of advocating for liberty. Invading foreign coutnries and submitting them to production quota's at the threat of death is not liberty. I recommend reading a dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/liberalism permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] masterflappie@europe.pub -1 points 10 months ago (1 child) just what exactly is liberal about invading foreign countries and submitting them to production quota's at the threat of death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -4 points 10 months ago Liberalism is the ideology of advocating for liberty. Invading foreign coutnries and submitting them to production quota's at the threat of death is not liberty. I recommend reading a dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/liberalism permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] masterflappie@europe.pub -4 points 10 months ago Liberalism is the ideology of advocating for liberty. Invading foreign coutnries and submitting them to production quota's at the threat of death is not liberty. I recommend reading a dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/liberalism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] masterflappie@europe.pub -4 points 10 months ago Liberalism is the ideology of advocating for liberty. Invading foreign coutnries and submitting them to production quota's at the threat of death is not liberty. I recommend reading a dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/liberalism permalink fedilink source parent