but when it comes to the West we’d expect a lot more

I agree. Perhaps I didn't write it out explicitly before, but I don't mean we stop at electoralism; just that it is part of the means to an end.

If we want something more than capitalism then it is imperative that a different party be formed for organising needs.

And that should be the goal, but not every place is going to have the numbers to sustain a party. I can see maybe Mamdani splitting one off in NYC. I don't see a similar type person doing so in Springfield, MO happening at the same time, but there will still be people there that would support the party.

Besides building our credibility with opposition for concession we will need it also builds credibility with followers. If you can't get people to show up and scribble on a paper why would they show up to a protest or not show up to work where the consequences are real and personal? Electoralism is one way we engage with the broader public.

Like I empathize with the

I think electoralism creates a trap where people become comfortable with “least harmful option” and not taking initiative to build something more tangible

But I think this view is setting up to fail because it ask for the movement to just come built rather than developed. Elections don't start with voting for your guy they end with that. There is a lot of leg work that happens before hand. In many ways this is like a marathon; you can't just show up and expect to go far.

Not working on this because you won't win is a self fulfilling prophesy as well.

Even if you reeeally dont want to vote for anyone at least spoil your ballot and be counted as a protest vote; because again it shows willingness and credibility for escalation. Tho I should point out that there are very important local and state elections as well.