The EU stands strong amongst the giants of the US and China
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  • [โ€“] 18 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    Only out of necessity, Russia has shown that they are done playing the diplomatic game (though they have been playing it quite badly), the US has fully shat it's pants and is rolling around in it and China has the carving knife ready for when Russia colapses, if Europe is to survive we need to federalize.

    At an absolute minimum, we need to build a unified military under one leadership throughout the EU, military personal from the south must be expected to defend Europe in the north, and vice versa.

    I don't see this as being right-wing, I see it as it being a reality we need to face.

    I'll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best, as it combined a strong government with a regulated free market.

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    I am living in Sweden, I have done so for the last 38 year after being born.

    I have witnessed the all of that.

    I stand by what I said, including the part of regulated free markets which you didn't bring up.

    I absolutely disagree with how Socialdemokraterna moved away from the ideology of Social democracy.

    However, this does not change my views of the ideology, only the politicians who has failed it.

    Social democracy requires strong leaders who can withstand trends pulling in either direction.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    No, I have not seen social democracy failing, I have seen politicians failing to uphold social democracy.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    That's the problem: they only need to buy your politicians with many Swedish kronas.

    Do you believe a so fragile system is right?

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 10 months ago

    I never said that I believe social democracy is a strong political system, I said that I believe it is the best ideology, meaning that I believe we should keep working to persue it, societies will move to far right, and too far left, regardless, it is a goal we should keep working towards.

    I see it as kinda like a compass, regardless of how you turn it, the arrow always point to the magnetic north.

    Regardless of what happens to society, we should always have an idea of our goal.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago (9 children)

    Soooo you throw your hat in with russia as a way to resolve this?

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Sure if you want to ignore everything else, then you're right. In any case right now if Europe disarms russia would follow in hitlers footsteps and take over Europe

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    Do you believe Russia would have invaded Ukraine if it was fully backed by NATO?

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Well yeah, they were already invaded by russia at that point, that's why we're pissed, because of russias colonial ambitions and the cost of all the lives lost

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    If that's the case you want to make, regardless of not painting the full picture, the russian invasion of Ukraine is the cause of the highest drop of Ukrainians. Also the pretext of "im invading to save you" is entirely bullshit.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    And im explaining how the greatest tragedy that's happened to Ukraine (recently) is russias invasion. Maybe there is a reason countries wanted to leave the USSR. It wouldn't be sister nations, it would be occupiers and subservient nation. There is nothing sisterly about russias, or the USSRs invasions of neighbouring countries. If they have to keep their sphere of influence via violence then they are to blame.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    The referendums where 90% of the people voted yes to leave? They had peace and a chance to leave, emigration, and the fallout of the collapse of the ussr were the reason so many people left, for greener pastures. The USSR didn't save Europe from fascism, they absolutely contributed to the fall of naziism. But the USSR is fascist, by definition. The catastrophe was caused by russia, im not ignoring anything. Ignoring alll of that, russias current expansion has caused more damage to Ukraine, if you cared so much about Ukraines prosperity, you would be vocal about that part. The USSR has always been colonial, and expansionist. They have to keep their sphere of influence via force, and no matter how you want to paint it, crushing people under boots doesn't make them good or right.

    Yes they helped the Spanish resistance, and just like any other ideology it was done to secure what they call communism, not because fascism is bad, but because they wanted to have influence (like every other nation) they didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Other nations turned a blind eye to their population going to fight the fascists too, you can't ignore that point.

    And onto ww2 yes russia bore the brunt of population loss due to the nazis, but that's because of russias meat grinder approach. The war was won with British intelligence, American steel and russian blood. The USSR would have collapsed if it weren't for support from the west. There was no benevolence from the ussr in its actions, no was there truly in the west.

    The argument of invading to save is just as flimsy as "saving those savages" that happened in North America to the first nations people's. E: or a more accurate example would be the US's invasions of vietnam

    The reason people blame China for expanding its sphere of influence is due to the way they are doing it, through exploitative projects in Africa, and re writing maps, ignoring internationally recognized boundaries. Any country that does those things, in that way is bad.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    I've read many books.what you said about what happened jn the USSR does not mean it wasn't fascist lol.

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  • [โ€“] 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

    Well, you kinda need military power, even if you don't use it, you can't expect countries to not attack you and just be diplomatic. Also, don't accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it's just childish and not better than attacking them

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  • [โ€“] -2 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    How many of those weapons are going to end up in Israel's hands?

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    It's not a "strawman." I understand that most people on here don't want the weapons going to Israel, which is why I made the point. But the reality is that, once a weapon is built, it's in the hands of politicians to give to whoever they like. If those politicians are pro-Israel, then even if you want the weapons for the purpose of defense, there's a significant likelihood they'll be used to perform genocide.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    It absolutely is a strawman, no one mentioned Israel in the discussion before you, it is also not a reason to stop increasing defense spending right now that we need to defend against Russia.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The fact that nobody mentioned Israel is the point. I stg. It isn't a "strawman" to point out possible unintended consequences of supporting a policy.

    "I think I should jump off a tall building."

    "Are you crazy? You'll die!"

    "Wow, what a strawman. Nobody even said anything about dying. I don't support falling to my death, only the jumping."

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Go learn what the word "strawman" means before you call anybody's arguments stupid lmao.

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  • [โ€“] -4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    Well, you kinda need military power

    First of all, no. The whole idea of globalization is that if you have economic entanglement the wars will not be profitable.

    Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big military see Switzerland and all guerrilla groups successfully repelling much bigger opponents like the US.

    Also, don't accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it's just childish and not better than attacking them

    I mostly agree, but the meme created does represent this ideology and you can attack problematic ideologies.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    @JustJack23@slrpnk.net wrote:Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big militaryYou're right! Europe can just defend itself with thougts and prayers. Why didn't all the bureaucrats from Brussels think about this? Omg, you're a genius!

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 10 months ago

    military strength without having very big military see Switzerland

    Switzerland has mandatory military service. If you include reserves, it has a bigger military than Germany, Poland, or the UK. Not per capita, just straight up more people. If you only include active personnel it's still comparable per capita to most European countries

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Everything else sounds right-winger when one is into authoritarian "left".

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    How much is your socialism gonna help anybody when a fascist state overthrows you because you don't have a military?

    Funding a defense force isn't inherently right-wing militarism; it's a practical necessity in the world we live in. Its primary function is as a deterrent to potential invaders, it only goes into kinetic operations when its function as a deterrent fails. All the more reason to maintain a strong military.

    Peace is more likely when your adversaries know they won't stand a chance against you.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    you don't have a military

    The only leftist ideology that advocates against an active military is anarchism. Anarchists prefer spontaneous militias that activate as soon as another state acts on them. Obviously there are downsides to this practice as 1) gathering up a militia and organizing them can take time away from defending against outside oppressors, which can jeopardize defense in general, and 2) gathering up a militia of normal folk in a society means they won't be actively trained in conducting warfare effectively, or at least not as much as another state that does have an active military - this also represents a lower hand which can again jeopardize defense in general.

    Marxist-Leninist communists believe that an active military that trains its population and performs drills regularly is the most suitable defense against capitalist states, since they have their own military doing the same.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago

    Tell that to the person being "unapologetically socialist" whom I responded to.

    Anarchists can't even organize a voting bloc or a civil sector, and they think a militia will spontaneously activate when needed? Oh please.

    For the record, I am somewhere on the left of the spectrum. I believe both social democracy and democratic socialism have their merits. I'm definitely not an ML, for various reasons including I believe they're too authoritarian and I find them insufferable.

    But I also believe that modern social democracies such as are found in western and northern Europe have societies and ways of life that are worth defending, even if that means fighting for them. With the threat looming to the east, I find it imperative for Europe to fund a strong military coalition/alliance.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    After the friendships and understanding pact, yeah I know. I know you're a nazi apologist, but that's not a good thing.

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    If you're trying to draw a comparison between modern Europe (or even modern Germany) and Nazi Germany, don't. You're only revealing your ignorance. Or you know it's inaccurate and you're doing it anyway in bad faith.

    Unless you would have every European nation surrender to russian imperialism, which you seem to be trying to excuse in your previous comment. If that's the case, then go away.

    Putin is a fascist. The Soviet Union died over 30 years ago. Supporting modern russia doesn't make you edgy or a leftist, it makes you either an idiot or a troll.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 10 months ago*

    You'd have to be extremely ignorant to believe that opposing European defensive capabilities isn't simultaneously helping the russian agenda.

    And what of the French in WWI? They didn't get to choose peace, although I'm sure many of them would have preferred it. It wasn't an option for them when their neighbor invaded. How foolish would it be for a French person at that time to say "No, don't fund our military!"

    Assuming you're merely ignorant, and not actively spreading propaganda for the kremlin, people like you have the luxury of remaining so ignorant precisely because other folks sign up to maintain the defense forces and the industries that support it. If they went away, suddenly you would be having some serious problems which wouldn't afford you the luxury of pacifism; only by then you wouldn't have a fighting chance in hell to repel the adversary's invasion.

    So be grateful someone is out there deterring those conflicts, so that those conflicts don't come home to roost in your back yard.

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