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[–] 123 points 10 months ago* (50 children)

It’s nice to see Gen Z getting more qualitatively neutral headline language. Millennials would’ve been “killing the meat industry.”

Also, this is really good. While we don’t all need to become total vegans, reducing the number of domesticated animals would have a significantly positive impact on both the environment and the quality of those animals’ lives.

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  • [–] 35 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    While we don’t all need to become total vegans, reducing the number of domesticated animals would have a significantly positive impact on both the environment and the quality of those animals’ lives.

    This is where I'm at. Half-assed vegetarian. I don't buy meat but if someone serves it at a dinner I don't refuse to eat. Baby steps. It's making progress without the shock of an abrupt change all at once.

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  • [+] 9 points 10 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    The healthiest take is to eat the best quality food you can afford that isn't ultra processed.

    Vegan food can be slop - see beyond meat, meat substitutes, lab grown meat etc. Heck, even South Park made an episode about it.

    (I know you meant "the healthiest take in the vegan-nonvegan dichotomy", but I just couldn't help myself, tee hee)

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    It's not about your health its primarily about the exploited group.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    For you. Let other people have other perspectives and they can all be valid.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    "Perspectives" doesn't work when they are beings being harmed. When they are victims let people oppress isn't a good take.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    I'm just saying, if your reasons for being against the holocaust is that burning the corpses contributed to greenhouse gas emissions, you are kind of a shitty person, but hey, whatever gets you there...?

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  • [–] 62 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Tbh it's from a vegan souce, and probably written by millenials too

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (9 children)

    They're citing a gallup poll https://news.gallup.com/poll/510038/identify-vegetarian-vegan.aspx

    What does the article being written by someone with a birth year within a specific range have to do with it's the validity of its contents?

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago* (8 children)

    Millennials bore the brunt of a ton of media framing their changes as evil, so they aren't doing the same to subsequent generations. A similar inference could be made about the positivity towards veganism (i.e., coming from a vegan site).

    OP isn't implying anything about validity; they're just explaining the article's positive framing.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Yea I was thrown off by the "tbh" at the beginning and misconstrued "vegan source" to imply they were alleging bias.

    Millennials bore the brunt of a ton of media framing their changes as evil

    Yes we did. Hence why I was trigged lol

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Not sure why you were downvoted. Take my Lemmy silver as a way of expressing my agreement.

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  • [+] -9 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Millenials love blaming stuff on other generations, they just go for boomers instead. It'll probably be Gen Alpha next. Kinda already is with the scorn over stuff popular with alpha, such as skibidi toilet and 6 7.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I've actually seen a lot of millennials likening 6 7 to 1337 and such that millennials made a big deal over at that age.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Yeah, and a lot of boomers disagreed with the characterization of millenials in the media, too. Generations are not a monolith, but often the differences between them are exploited by the ruling class to drive a stake between members of the working class.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (15 children)

    Over >50% of the space humans occupy is for agriculture. 3/4 of that space is dedicated to livestock/feed.

    Recently I learned that plants like Bambara Nuts (africa) and Water Lentils (duckweed) have complete amino complexes and b12. They're probably not the only ones either.

    There's also many pest/drought resistant perennial crops that are nitrogen/nutrient fixers that eliminate the need for fertilizers and pesticides.

    I expect that the impending climate induced supply chain collapse of global agriculture will force people to return to these more ancestral, and arguably superior, food sources.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    By the way, all plant foods have all amino acids. They just have them in proportions to one another that don't quite match the proportions that we need. But this is only relevant, if you eat the minimum amount of protein necessary to sustain your body tissues.
    In a Western diet, we typically eat significantly more protein than that. As such, if e.g. black beans only provide 50% of an amino acid compared to the other amino acids and compared to what we need, you can totally eat 200% black beans to make up for it.
    Or, what's more likely the case, you're not gonna eat just black beans, but rather mix and match them with lots of other protein sources, which will have different amino acid distributions. Even wheat and rice contain protein. Well, and then you're gonna eat significantly more of that mixture than you actually need, so you don't need be particularly cautious at mixing+matching either.

    Not the most scientific source, but has some decent illustrations: https://vegfaqs.com/essential-amino-acid-profiles-beans/

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    The human body require 20 amino acids of which 9 our bodies cannot produce. A "complete amino complex" contains all 9 of those unproducible acids. Most plants do not contain all of them. Black beans lack methionine; so simply eating more black beans will not suffice.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago*

    No, that's what I'm saying. Black beans 'lack' methionine in that they have less milligram methionine per gram protein than other protein sources, but they don't have none.

    This table in the source that I linked is to be read as "you should eat 4.59 cups of black beans per day to cover the methionine RDA (if you weigh 70kg and all you eat is black beans)":

    Here's another diagram showing that black beans do contain methionine, which got published in a scientific paper:

    https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Amino-acid-composition-of-quinoa-black-bean-and-lentil-proteins-g-100-g-of-protein_fig1_351804462

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Huh, isn't duckweed pretty easy to grow?

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Most things with weed in the name is going to be easy to grow. A lot of people with aquariums or ponds feel plagued by it. I love it for aquariums it's one of the few things that can out compete algae

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Youtube has sent me down the rabbit hole. Almost every common weed that's not native to North America was once a staple food crop in Europe.

    But in the mid 20th century big agriculture realized they'd make more money selling annuals, fertilizer, and pesticides... instead of letting people grow perennial plants that solved those problems on their own.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    most of them escape in the wild, and established wild population. iceplant is another one, its from south africa, it actually doesnt help with preventing spread of fires,it blankets the coasts of california. relatives of the plants are quite nifty succulents for hobbyist(aizocae, aka stone plants) while the ornamentals are very hard to take care off, the iceplants is very hardy and invasive. blue gum, a type of eucalyptus grows fast, also invasive but the biggest problem is since its a eucalyptus it makes fires more dangerous because of the oils.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago*

    Over >50% of the space humans occupy is for agriculture

    i think it's more like >90%.

    i.e. of the area that is used (Agriculture, Urban and Built-up Land),

    • urban and built-up land is 1m km²,
    • agriculture is 48m km²,

    so agriculture is 48 of 49 millions km² used, that's 98%. The remaining 2% are for streets and housing.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    complete amino complexes and b12

    Tis a question of "how much of it can be absorbed by humans".

    For example absorption rate of vitamin A from animal sources is ~90%, but about 10% from veggies (if you use vegetable fat it's a bit higher, animal fat even more higher, cook it, juice it, the absorption rate plateaues at 30%; and technically it's not a vitamin A but something that will become a vitamin A when dissolved in fat) - and the amount of it in veggies is lower compared to animal byproducts.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    Bambara has apparently been a staple in Western Africa for centuries. So if it had any critical nutritional deficiencies I'd imagine a cultural/culinary solution would have presented itself by now. And the B12 in Bambara is uniquely bioavailable; unlike the b12 in most other plants.

    Rentinol (vitamin a) is not an amino acid. It is a fat soluble molecule which is why you get more from fatty sources. It's a logical train of thought but you're comparing apples to oranges.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Isn't vit A the one we produce from carotenes? So technically we don't need to ingest the vitamin itself if we eat enough of the pro-vitamin? Am I confusing it with other vitamin?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    That's true. But I'm willing to bet it's also because it's less affordable. 

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  • While it feels weird to argue that something should be more expensive, I think it’s best that meat is treated like a luxury for special occasions.

    Meat is inherently an expensive process, and it was only ever cheap because the cost was paid elsewhere—mostly by horrible conditions for animals & human workers and environmental destruction.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Except the opposite is true by all accounts assuming you aren't eating fancy meat substitutes all the time.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)