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Who's in charge? (lemmy.world)
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[–] 20 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Glad to see another voice of sanity regarding Windows.

If you haven't learned by now, on Lemmy the only valid option for dealing with Windows configuration and basic Windows admin tasks is to yeet Windows and go to Linux.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    That isn't the reason to yeet Windows. If you were talking years ago about 7 or XP, things were different. 10 is not that great comparably, and 11 is a mess. But keep your Windows, if it's what works for you. Until it doesn't.

    Dual boot for the best of both worlds (although I'm finding myself more and more on the Linux side because it's better for me.)

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Even Windows 11 still has all the options Windows 7 had, and plenty more. Stop swallowing the Linux propaganda.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's the constant war on end users that chased me away from windows.

    You can't say no to their relentless advertising. It's "maybe later". The pushing to require a Microsoft account. Ads in the start menu. Windows Recall.

    The list goes on. You get as much agency as Microsoft allows, or you violate your eula and modify the os to remove things you don't want.

    We didn't know it at the time, but windows 7 was peak windows.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    100% valid choice. I'd argue that it's even the correct one.

    That said, those specific examples are all "solved". My issue is that the overwhelming amount of Linux pushers here tend to act as though those issues are literally unsolvable.

    The ads are nearly all controlled from a single yes/no switch a single level deep into the settings menu. And that switch has not been reset by updates in at least four years. Since I've joined lemmy, every single "Microsoft is pushing more ads into Windows" article I've seen has been talking about ads controlled by this same singular switch.

    Things like the pushing of the Microsoft account and Recall are mostly avoided by using their Professional SKU/License/OS version and using GPO to disable those features. Or to take specific steps during install. You have to use the tools they have for corporate customers that have specific legal guidelines that prevent them from being able to use whatever MS's new revenue extraction trick is.

    Bullshit? Yes. Should anyone have to do this shit to have a decent OS? No.

    But if you're savvy enough to navigate Linux, you're more than capable of navigating this shit on Windows. It's not impossible.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I just riced my work computer, let me fucken tell ya about tricking out a windows machine: its fucking embarrassing. Not that its fundamentally different than customizing Linux, for both you download apps (or packages). But its a clumsy ass mess on windows that has to overlay the existing shit, on Linux the only shit that exists is what I want. I dont have to deal with an onery built in taskbar, or trick a built in window manager to be tiling. The one I pick does what I want.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    If you haven't learned by now, on Lemmy the only valid option for dealing with Windows configuration and basic Windows admin tasks is to yeet Windows and go to Linux.

    Not true. The only valid option to deal with Windows at all is to yeet it and go to Linux.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Sometimes one wants to access a file without making changes though. Escalating privileges is the answer in this scenario and windows doesn't make that as easy,as it doesn't really want to you act as SYSTEM

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    100% true, and a great counterpoint.

    Copium/denialThat's well beyond even power user (imo) and into the forensic analysis realm though, where you should probably be using dedicated tools. I'm pretty sure there are still ways around this, ways to back up and restore the ACLs, but I haven't ran into a need to not touch the modified timestamp in the decade or so I've been doing tech work professionally nor in the decade before as simply a young enthusiast. There's still ways around that timestamp too, and arguments to be made that adjusting the ACL is touching metadata rather than the file itself.

    I do what I can to stay out of ACLs at my workplace.

    Windows ACLs are far more complicated than they have any right to be, and file perms are generally far simpler on Linux.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sounds like a bad excuse for having a shitty product.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I work in this space profressionally. Systems administrarion, architecture, design, and integration. Please take your single sentence "hot takes" elsewhere.

    Windows is far from "a shitty product" or "broken". It is developed by horrid anti-consumer motherfuckers out to extract as much profit as possible from their least profitable user base: home users. Evil as hell, sure, but so is nearly every large corporation that makes shit that fills your personal hovel you call home. If that makes them untouchable for you, that is a great choice. But that does not factually impact the usability or usefulness of the product.

    Linux is awesome and necessary. Open source is the only way this whole mess keeps working far into the future, and I am no stranger to compiling shit from source and submitting pull requests.

    My problems with the Linux community, specifically on Lemmy, are these: Linux is not "just easier" and depressingly still not ready for the average consumer unwilling to tinker. The overwhelming majority of complaints about Windows so frequently posted here are solved problems that people pretend are entirely unfixable, or refuse to learn how to fix. For many people venting about their computer, it would be easier to direct them how to fix what they have rather than try to use it as an opportunity to push your religion OS of choice.

    If you can manage Linux, I promise that "fixing" a Windows install is well within your reach. Plenty of problems with it, but "broken"? "Unusable"? Take a look outside at the majority of the world, or even the fucking Steam user statistics and get back to me on that. More than good enough for the overwhelming majority.

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