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[+] 108 points 10 months ago (15 children)
  • [–] 51 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    and they're not even factoring in how for profit prisons are literal slave labour camps.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    According to the ACLU and the University of Chicago Law school the value of goods from involuntary prison labor in the US is about two billion annually. That’s not even a rounding error as compared to the annual US federal budget.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    hi, public school worker here..it is not only legal but encouraged for districts to buy furniture, air filters, and other goods from prison labor sources. one year we even had a group of convicts come to paint the walls, they did a horrible job and people ended up with stolen money also. it blows my mind that this is acceptable.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Former public school worker here, thanks for sticking it out instead of being a quitter like me! Just curious what state you’re in? I ask cause I don’t remember that from my time teaching in Jersey

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    And that argument would matter if the goal were to improve the state of the budget. But it's irrelevant to the share holders in the private prison/slavery corporations and the politicians those corporations lobby/bribe. And that last group have the power to keep slavery going.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    So you're saying they should have started using child prison labour decades ago?

    Tho I guess that's contingent on if there will be a net return from the smaller cells & rations against the lowered productivity.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Im saying it’s not a big enough net boon to the economy that cutting it out would be a problem even from a pure numbers perspective (I feel gross even typing that out). I figure the problem is that people with political power do benefit from that two billion and they don’t want that gravy train to end.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I don't think anyone is suggesting its economically necessary. I am however suggesting that the people who want to incarcerate poor kids would probably view their indentured servitude as a good thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    My bad, agreed nobody here is saying it. I guess I’m just trying to point out how pointless it is. I remember from my CJ classes in college that potential punishments have pretty much no impact on the likelihood of someone committing a crime, only their perceived chances of being caught, or their perceived necessity of committing said crime. It’s a shame how “Old Testament” people think things should be. Outcomes should be the most important factor.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago*

    Yeah the cruelty is definitely the point for far too many. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that so many people don’t actually give a shit about the area they live in being a nice, human conducive place. Littering, gated communities, pollution, NIMBY bullshit… I could go on forever.

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