▲ 181 ▼ New Mozilla CEO: "[Firefox] will evolve into a modern AI browser" (blog.mozilla.org) submitted 10 months ago by XLE@piefed.social to c/firefox@lemmy.world 111 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -7 points 10 months ago (11 children) a userbase that is largely shrinking? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 child) Gee, our userbase is shrinking. What should we do? learn what the users want and cater to their needs? No, definitely what we must do is double down and force more unpopular features. That will surely bring back the users that left because of our previous decisions. /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] leftyknowitall@mastodon.social 1 point 10 months ago @dustyData Seriously… Over the years, I must have gotten dozens of people to switch to Firefox, just out of my enthusiasm. For the last 5 years or so, I haven’t promoted it much because of the direction of the Mozilla foundation. Now I’m abandoning it altogether. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ptz@dubvee.org 39 points 10 months ago (7 children) Most of the "abandon Firefox" rhetoric I've seen is due to their sudden focus on cramming in AI while simultaneously ignoring or half-assing long wanted features (e.g PWA support). And to think that shoving in AI will fix any pre-existing userbase shrinkage is like thinking having a baby will save one's failing marriage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -6 points 10 months ago (6 children) it’s been shrinking for well over 10 years, nothing to do with ai permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago (5 children) Last data I saw showed user base pretty flat for the past 5 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 10 months ago (4 children) https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1mhks3h/firefoxs_weekly_active_users_fall_below_150/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity 230,000,000 in 2021 204,000,000 in 2025 I don't go to the website you linked to. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) no problems, what's Chromes userbase by comparison? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Kind of a change of subject, and I'm too lazy to open a tab and look. I'd guess about 1,000x more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago Also you missed that they changed the definition recently, because you don't visit the other site (fair enough): https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1p7k50p/firefox_monthly_active_users_increased_by_about/ So the real usage is actually closer to 150 million, or 70 million less users in 7 years, or roughly 10 million a year So like I said, nothing to do with AI, it's pretty clear them avoiding AI is doing fuck all, it's not increasing their user share with other users looking to get away from AI and it's not stopping users from leaving. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zombie@feddit.uk 2 points 10 months ago Does that include those who have switched to a Firefox fork like Librewolf? Those who use Firefox are more likely to be tech savvy. They're therefore more likely to be comfortable switching to a Firefox fork as well. Firefox keeps getting worse, why would those with the know how stick with it when they can use a fork which is better? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 child) Gee, our userbase is shrinking. What should we do? learn what the users want and cater to their needs? No, definitely what we must do is double down and force more unpopular features. That will surely bring back the users that left because of our previous decisions. /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] leftyknowitall@mastodon.social 1 point 10 months ago @dustyData Seriously… Over the years, I must have gotten dozens of people to switch to Firefox, just out of my enthusiasm. For the last 5 years or so, I haven’t promoted it much because of the direction of the Mozilla foundation. Now I’m abandoning it altogether. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] leftyknowitall@mastodon.social 1 point 10 months ago @dustyData Seriously… Over the years, I must have gotten dozens of people to switch to Firefox, just out of my enthusiasm. For the last 5 years or so, I haven’t promoted it much because of the direction of the Mozilla foundation. Now I’m abandoning it altogether. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ptz@dubvee.org 39 points 10 months ago (7 children) Most of the "abandon Firefox" rhetoric I've seen is due to their sudden focus on cramming in AI while simultaneously ignoring or half-assing long wanted features (e.g PWA support). And to think that shoving in AI will fix any pre-existing userbase shrinkage is like thinking having a baby will save one's failing marriage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -6 points 10 months ago (6 children) it’s been shrinking for well over 10 years, nothing to do with ai permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago (5 children) Last data I saw showed user base pretty flat for the past 5 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 10 months ago (4 children) https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1mhks3h/firefoxs_weekly_active_users_fall_below_150/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity 230,000,000 in 2021 204,000,000 in 2025 I don't go to the website you linked to. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) no problems, what's Chromes userbase by comparison? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Kind of a change of subject, and I'm too lazy to open a tab and look. I'd guess about 1,000x more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago Also you missed that they changed the definition recently, because you don't visit the other site (fair enough): https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1p7k50p/firefox_monthly_active_users_increased_by_about/ So the real usage is actually closer to 150 million, or 70 million less users in 7 years, or roughly 10 million a year So like I said, nothing to do with AI, it's pretty clear them avoiding AI is doing fuck all, it's not increasing their user share with other users looking to get away from AI and it's not stopping users from leaving. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -6 points 10 months ago (6 children) it’s been shrinking for well over 10 years, nothing to do with ai permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago (5 children) Last data I saw showed user base pretty flat for the past 5 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 10 months ago (4 children) https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1mhks3h/firefoxs_weekly_active_users_fall_below_150/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity 230,000,000 in 2021 204,000,000 in 2025 I don't go to the website you linked to. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) no problems, what's Chromes userbase by comparison? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Kind of a change of subject, and I'm too lazy to open a tab and look. I'd guess about 1,000x more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago Also you missed that they changed the definition recently, because you don't visit the other site (fair enough): https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1p7k50p/firefox_monthly_active_users_increased_by_about/ So the real usage is actually closer to 150 million, or 70 million less users in 7 years, or roughly 10 million a year So like I said, nothing to do with AI, it's pretty clear them avoiding AI is doing fuck all, it's not increasing their user share with other users looking to get away from AI and it's not stopping users from leaving. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago (5 children) Last data I saw showed user base pretty flat for the past 5 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 10 months ago (4 children) https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1mhks3h/firefoxs_weekly_active_users_fall_below_150/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity 230,000,000 in 2021 204,000,000 in 2025 I don't go to the website you linked to. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) no problems, what's Chromes userbase by comparison? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Kind of a change of subject, and I'm too lazy to open a tab and look. I'd guess about 1,000x more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago Also you missed that they changed the definition recently, because you don't visit the other site (fair enough): https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1p7k50p/firefox_monthly_active_users_increased_by_about/ So the real usage is actually closer to 150 million, or 70 million less users in 7 years, or roughly 10 million a year So like I said, nothing to do with AI, it's pretty clear them avoiding AI is doing fuck all, it's not increasing their user share with other users looking to get away from AI and it's not stopping users from leaving. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 10 months ago (4 children) https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1mhks3h/firefoxs_weekly_active_users_fall_below_150/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity 230,000,000 in 2021 204,000,000 in 2025 I don't go to the website you linked to. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) no problems, what's Chromes userbase by comparison? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Kind of a change of subject, and I'm too lazy to open a tab and look. I'd guess about 1,000x more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago Also you missed that they changed the definition recently, because you don't visit the other site (fair enough): https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1p7k50p/firefox_monthly_active_users_increased_by_about/ So the real usage is actually closer to 150 million, or 70 million less users in 7 years, or roughly 10 million a year So like I said, nothing to do with AI, it's pretty clear them avoiding AI is doing fuck all, it's not increasing their user share with other users looking to get away from AI and it's not stopping users from leaving. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity 230,000,000 in 2021 204,000,000 in 2025 I don't go to the website you linked to. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) no problems, what's Chromes userbase by comparison? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Kind of a change of subject, and I'm too lazy to open a tab and look. I'd guess about 1,000x more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago Also you missed that they changed the definition recently, because you don't visit the other site (fair enough): https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1p7k50p/firefox_monthly_active_users_increased_by_about/ So the real usage is actually closer to 150 million, or 70 million less users in 7 years, or roughly 10 million a year So like I said, nothing to do with AI, it's pretty clear them avoiding AI is doing fuck all, it's not increasing their user share with other users looking to get away from AI and it's not stopping users from leaving. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) no problems, what's Chromes userbase by comparison? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Kind of a change of subject, and I'm too lazy to open a tab and look. I'd guess about 1,000x more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago Also you missed that they changed the definition recently, because you don't visit the other site (fair enough): https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1p7k50p/firefox_monthly_active_users_increased_by_about/ So the real usage is actually closer to 150 million, or 70 million less users in 7 years, or roughly 10 million a year So like I said, nothing to do with AI, it's pretty clear them avoiding AI is doing fuck all, it's not increasing their user share with other users looking to get away from AI and it's not stopping users from leaving. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Kind of a change of subject, and I'm too lazy to open a tab and look. I'd guess about 1,000x more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago Also you missed that they changed the definition recently, because you don't visit the other site (fair enough): https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1p7k50p/firefox_monthly_active_users_increased_by_about/ So the real usage is actually closer to 150 million, or 70 million less users in 7 years, or roughly 10 million a year So like I said, nothing to do with AI, it's pretty clear them avoiding AI is doing fuck all, it's not increasing their user share with other users looking to get away from AI and it's not stopping users from leaving. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 10 months ago Also you missed that they changed the definition recently, because you don't visit the other site (fair enough): https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1p7k50p/firefox_monthly_active_users_increased_by_about/ So the real usage is actually closer to 150 million, or 70 million less users in 7 years, or roughly 10 million a year So like I said, nothing to do with AI, it's pretty clear them avoiding AI is doing fuck all, it's not increasing their user share with other users looking to get away from AI and it's not stopping users from leaving. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 2 points 10 months ago Does that include those who have switched to a Firefox fork like Librewolf? Those who use Firefox are more likely to be tech savvy. They're therefore more likely to be comfortable switching to a Firefox fork as well. Firefox keeps getting worse, why would those with the know how stick with it when they can use a fork which is better? permalink fedilink source parent