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Does it count twice if I raise them both? (slrpnk.net)
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[–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Do they deliver? Did Biden "cancel all student debt for an entire generation" like he said he would? Did the Dems stop sending weapons to back a genocide? Did they get Medicare for All? Did they make housing affordable? Did they stop our overseas torture programs? Did they stop drone-striking children?

Because I don't remember them delivering any of that.

I don't wonder why progress is slow, as it is pretty clear: The Republicans are regressive, and the Democrats mostly impede progress.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Clinton delivered a balanced budget. Obama delivered healthcare - his reward was to lose majority for the next 6 years. Biden delivered most of Build Back Better, the first student debt relief was blocked by the court but another bill was passed that delivered a ton of debt relief. I thought you were just the nnnnot good enough, but honestly I think you're flat out ignoring everything. And that was with only 2 years each.

    But why didn't they just solve everything, everywhere, all at once, forever and always! Right? Like do you even hear yourself?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    Obama delivered a terrible, watered down healthcare change. Biden could have pushed a lot more money out for student debt relief, but thought that spending the money on the border wall and weapons for Israel was more important.

    They could have done drastically more, but spent those 2 years sucking up to corporate doners, and giving consessions to the Republicans instead.

    You may think that "please don't bomb children", or "please stop giving our tax money to the rich" or "maybe medical debt shouldn't be the biggest cause of bankruptcy in the US" or "please, make education affordable" is asking too much, but I think it's not asking enough, and the Dems wouldn't even deliver on those. They could have, but chose not to.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    And back to n-n-n-n-n-not good enough. They were pretty good. Want more? Then vote in more reps so Lieberman can't water it down. Biden pushed a ton and got a ton of debt relief. First one blocked? He kept pushing. Honestly what are you on thinking he didn't push for it, it's back to ignoring.

    Yah you're all over the n-n-n-not good enough. Things take time to draft, write, negotiate, and pass. I seriously wonder what industry y'all work in that you think these things can be done easy peasy in no time flat.

    So we're back to: Want more? Then give them a majority more often than 6 years of the last 44 years. Seriously, let that sink in. 6 measly years out of the last 44 years. That's nothing. Want supermajority? Then it's 2.5 months out of the last 44 years. Not 2.5 years, 2.5 months out of the last 44 years. Since 1980. Frankly it's amazing that we're not in a worse situation.

    Ok this is going nowhere, I keep pointing out what they did and you keep ignoring/nnnot good enough. So the last bit I'll say to you: Nothing will ever be good enough for you. You have all your excuses lined up and keep at the same thing no matter what's said. This is why I think catering to the left is a fool's errand. They will never show up. Never have, and any conversation like this shows they never will. They will go after the center voter instead. Congrats on the biggest self own in history. Ciao.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Yes, I'm not ashamed to say that I think a party that backs a genocide, bombs children, and screws over it's voting base is not doing good enough. Especially when they seem to have plenty of time to help out the other party, and their corporate doners.

    They've had plenty of time and opportunity to fix plenty of things, but chose not to. You keep saying that they "only" had 2 years, but I saw them waste those years.

    You are also correct: I will never show up for a party that wants to bomb children, or picks a rapist as their candidate, or backs a genocide, or continuously caters to the rich instead of their voters. Why would I support a party that fights against what I want?

    edit: Also, when have the Democrats catered to the left? I see them consistently run to the right, but I usually only see them "cater to the left" verbally, on stage when they want votes. Once elected in, they immediately turn back to the right.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Wow did I ever call it. No matter how much I point out what's delivered, you will ignore it. Ok I've pointed it 2 (3?) times and it'll be non ending. Out.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I haven't ignored anything. They did a small handfull of good things, but they spent the majority of the time failing to deliver on easy wins.

    You spent a bunch of time pointing out why they haven't delivered. So which is it? Do they deliver? or do things keep them from delivering?

    From what I've seen, they've had plenty of chances, but mostly chose to throw them away to keep their doners and rich friends happy. Maybe you are happy with them, but it's clear that the voters are not.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Wow ok last message to deal with the sheer bad faith, which that you even try to pull off in your last word game is incredible bad faith. I told you what they deliver while they have a majority, and why they obviously can't do anything when they don't have majority (in house of reps, Senate, and have the white house). That you try to hammer those together shows you with can't separate it yourself, or you're discussing in incredible bad faith. Ok I'm out, it'll be never ending whatever this is, like I already called.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    But they didn't deliver when they had the majority. I already pointed out the things that they didn't deliver on, and you keep ignoring them. I pointed out how they didn't deliver on the things you claimed, and you keep ignoring that as well. I always find it funny when Libs argue that others are arguing in bad faith, when they won't address the concerns brought up by others.

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