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Feeding local wildlife (lemmy.world)
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Screenshot of a tweet by Mike Primavera (@primawesome). It reads, "My neighbor told me coyotes keep eating his outdoor cats so I asked how many cats he has and he said he just goes to the shelter and gets a new cat afterwards so I said it sounds like he's just feeding shelter cats to coyotes and then his daughter started crying."
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[–] 61 points 11 months ago* (35 children)

saying so in front of the daughter is low key savage.

But it always boggles my mind when adults are shocked and horrified that predators ...predate. Especially non-vegans.

Like Bro. Hommie needs to eat, and they can't live off beans. (well, maybe coyotes can.)

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (18 children)

    I'm glad I wasn't Disney'd in childhood. Better to know reality, than be deluded, made fragile and crippled by reality. Face the horror. Stop lying to children. Children become adults.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    Grow up on a farm and you really have no delusions about how the world works. Although I did think teachers lived at the school so I was unclear with how Mrs Thatcher got pregnant.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    how Mrs Thatcher got pregnant

    Presumably, alcohol involved.

    Although, that too likely still naive.

    ... The perversions in the crooked cabal... they're into a lot of really really vile stuff.

    [Edit: Oh... or are you talking about a different Mrs Thatcher than Thatcher pulling the strings... or grabbing buns or babies or something. Scary ugly lady, with scary gesticulation.?]

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago*

    Presumably, alcohol involved.

    Oh we love you Mrs Thatcher, like your old man likes a brew;

    such a lad your husband Denis when he's had a drink or two.

    Sure he'll take a pint of Murphy's and a glass of Irish Mist

    and because he sleeps with you each night, no wonder he's always pissed.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah it was a different Mrs Thatcher, and to be clear that might not have been her actual name, I'm just coming up with something that sounds appropriately similar. I've subsequently seen pictures of her in the class yearbook. She was really really hot, when she was my teacher she was younger than I am now so I absolutely did not appreciate her attractiveness.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    There were a lot of teachers that were married, and that in itself didn't make sense to me. Not because I thought they lived at school, but because they had such awful attitudes that I couldn't imagine somebody agreeing to spend their entire lives with them.

    Then I grew up and realized that their husbands were probably awful, too. Either that, or the teachers took all their frustrations out on their students and had happier home lives. Either way, I still find it pretty sad. I know patience is a virtue, but you should know what you're getting into when you choose to become a teacher. Shitty teachers create traumatized students. If you don't think you can hack it, please, for the sake of all that is good, consider a different career.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    Oh no she was wonderful, we got to hear all the hot gossip from her. None of the teachers liked Mrs Hall, she was the antichrist apparently. Even as a kid I could tell she hated children. God knows why she became a teacher.

    Meanwhile Mrs Thatcher had a rabbit, a classroom pet. Oh it was wonderful, I'm not sure I necessarily learnt all that much from her, but I really liked her.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    i dont think you know what teachers go through. elementary teachers get physically assaulted by their students and then get blamed by admin AND parents. teachers dont have shitty attitudes from their home life, they have it because they are exploited yet held to impossible standards.

    one teacher i know, quit her job after some fifth grade students showed her a print of her house on google maps, said they know where she lives and were gonna go there and rape and kill her daughter. she ended up in inpatient psychiatric care from this job. the kids in question were not expelled and nothing was done.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Things have definitely escalated today. We didn't have Google maps and other instant-stalking technology when I went to elementary school. Columbine and school shootings hadn't been a thing yet either (though they would be, later on in my school years.) A lot of modern teacher stresses aren't applicable to a critique of the elementary school teachers that I had.

    Also, I teach kids, specifically special needs students. Violent outbursts aren't uncommon, we even have blocking pads for those situations. One of my coworkers got a concussion this summer in spite of it. I know it isn't easy, but I also knew what I was getting into.

    It's one thing to do the best with the situation you're dealt, but it's something else to lose your cool and take it out on your students. If I were ever to feel my spark for teaching start to fade, or a resentment of children set in, I'd move onto a different job. That wouldn't be easy either, but it'd be a hell of a lot more ethical.

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  • [+] 5 points 11 months ago* (7 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    that it is morally defensible in any way to create an intelligent creature and then force it into a state of utter lifelong dependency just so that you can exploit its biological processes

    Interestingly, I don't have issue with people who hunt for meat (provided they follow generally accepted responsible hunting practices), but I have a big fucking issue with animal agriculture.

    The quoted section is the distinguishing factor. Creating sentient life for the explicit purpose of exploiting it really rubs me the wrong way.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Humans are part of nature too, and we have our animal instincts same as any other animal. Only thing that differs is our capacity to self-reflect and exercise agency over our place in the ecosystem. What matters is that we have respect for life and don't take it for granted. I agree that factory farms, hunting for sport or luxury goods like furs, etc. is wrong, but I don't see a problem with a small farm raising some animals as long as they're treated with respect and given a comfortable life. All animals - including us - are dependent on others for survival.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    I mean you grew up believing that it's healthier to eat meat rather than just more profitable to sell it

    Seriously I've read this about 10 times and I still have no idea what you're going on about. It's healthier to eat meat than sell it, what?

    it is morally defensible in any way to create an intelligent creature

    What absolute grammar hellhole is this? What animal are you thinking of?

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    There’s a time and a place and a manner for that, and I rather suspect you think perpetuating trauma makes you cool.

    It doesn’t. It makes you an asshole.

    Also Disney was the one tossing lemmings off a cliff for a documentary. so… not the best way to express that thought.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I rather suspect you think perpetuating trauma makes you cool.

    o_O ... Where did you pick up that suspicion from???

    Strikingly the wrong end of the stick grabbed there. Or, even, a completely other stick.

    Also Disney was the one tossing lemmings off a cliff for a documentary. so… not the best way to express that thought.

    Completely still corroborates what I was saying. It seems you did not get what I was saying, at all.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    You think vegans are more likely to be surprised that predators eat other animals? I don't see the relationship there.

    We have a really small wolf population here in Sweden, so small that we've had to fortify it on multiple occasions. Even so, you have these useless careless animal keepers that get really up in arms when a wolf (or a fox, even) goes and kills some of their animals, even though they often don't even have proper fencing set up.

    It's ridiculous, because there are organisations that will help you fence your animals, there's monetary aid to be had for it too. Not keeping your animals safe is a choice, and I don't think it's fair to put the blame on the wild animals.

    Even so, there will be animals lost to predators, and that's just part of the business. If you don't want to lose animals, don't get them.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I think they were saying that it's more baffling to them when non-vegans are shocked by predators predating, which scans with my own experience.

    My ex's mum used to regularly eat meat, but would become very upset (even bursting into tears occasionally) if you ever reminded her that the animals she was eating were...well, animals. I can't fathom the amount of effort it must take to maintain that level of cognitive dissonance.

    I wish I were a vegetarian, but my circumstances are such that it's not feasible for me to fully make that change right now. I do feel uncomfortable with the ethical implications of eating meat, but I'd rather feel uncomfortable about it than to shove it out of my mind as some people prefer to.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    No. Like let’s say one is watching a nature documentary, and they get to the hunting part.

    I get why a vegan wouldn’t like watching that, or is shocked. I find it more baffling though when non-vegans are.

    Like. Carnivores do it because they have to. It might be brutal, but for them necessary. On the other hand if you eat meat… well. The food comes from somewhere and that might seem sanitized but it’s just as brutal or more so, because of the efficiency.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    saying so in front of the daughter is low key savage.

    Why?

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  • [+] -6 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Making children cry isn't big or clever?

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    It was her father who made her cry with his actions, not the stranger saying them out loud.

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  • [+] -6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    ..but then why did she cry in response to the stranger's comment? Logic doesn't seem to be adding up.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    Because he revealed these actions to her? Your point is?

    Assume there is a murderer who runs around killing people by skinning and burning them alive. You watch the TV news and feel sick. Is it TV news fault now? That's a flawed logic.

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