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[–] 17 points 11 months ago (13 children)

To be fair, China's high speed rail network has also grown so quickly because there are no public consultations or similar. They just build it, the people be damned. If you don't have a democracy, that works. But I would rather live in a democracy than an authoritarian state (at the same time, I'm glad I'm not living in the crumbling democracy that is the US).

Of course, what Elon is saying is total BS, and the US could have started much earlier - or, that is, improved the north east corridor and used that experience to bring more high speed rail to the US much earlier. But anyway...

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The US allows for eminent domain as well, no?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Yes, but it’s a bureaucratic process that involves a lot of red tape and ultimately has to compensate the displaced property owner. It definitely gets abused sometimes, and property owners are often undercompensated, but there are at least thresholds that must be met.

    In China, there is no private land ownership. Residents lease their land from the state. So if the state says a railroad is coming through, your lease simply doesn’t get renewed, and you no longer have the right to remain in your house. It’s efficient and highly collectivist, but discompassionate.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    The US will never have true high speed rail because they would rather deliver maximum profit to shareholders than acturally improve anything, thats why in a decade from now China will probrally still have a pretty good standard of living while the US will become a fascist undeveloped hellhole.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    They're going to be laying track in California in 2026. The roadway has been completed for 170 miles, and the environmental impacts completed for the entire phase one.

    It's slow and expensive, but it's happening.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The concept that a purely "authoritarian" state would build a widely beneficial and affordable public transportation system is an oxymoron. China built it because their railways were aging and they needed a new railsystem.

    So China didn't consult EVERY affected person or NGOs. But even in America, the govt does that and then just ignores all the feedback and does what they want anyway as long as there was a way for someone to make more money.

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  • How is that an oxymoron? An authoritarian government isn't excluded from doing good things. Most authoritarian governments have done some good, it's just not an excuse for the authoritarianism or whatever else those respective governments are up to.

    And take a closer look at California high speed rail. Public consultations have factored into how things are/were planned. It's far from ideal, and especially in the US there are plenty of problems (take a look at Europe for better examples, even though they're far from perfect). And at least in the US, there are elections that, as very imperfect as they are, the citizens still (emphasis on still) have a certain say as to how things are running.

    I mean, yeah, working in the transit branch, I would love to ram things through the way they do in China - it would make my job way easier and I've had colleagues fantasize about it, but in the whole of things, I am glad that the people still hold a certain amount of power here. Unchecked power is never a good thing.

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