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Kapitalism (reddthat.com)
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Wojack one: "under capitialisim if you can do it better make your own and sell it, the market will decide whose is best". Wojack two: "I made a better product for half the price". Wojack one: "NO thats patent violation"
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[–] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (23 children)

Uh... This is coming from the folks who said "he who does not work, neither shall he eat" during a famine so... uh... yeah, that's not the flex you think it is.

Edit: And in case anyone is wondering, this gets worse with context.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    As opposed to the current time of surplus and abundance where it is if "you don't work you don't eat". Which is morally a lot worse considering there is more than enough food to feed everyone

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    Yeah... no. Very little in modern history is morally worse than Soviet management of the famine of 1930-1933 (which they caused, too). That shit was at least on par with the Irish Famine in terms of sheer moral depravity.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Let me get this straight. To you, a famine produced unintentionally through policy that spiked class war and originated primarily from rich farmers sabotaging the crops and livestock as a response to their lands being collectivized in the first successful collectivization of a country in the history of the Earth, is to you as morally depraved as the English colonists literally starving Irish to death because of colonial and racist beliefs?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I won't dignify this slop with a response. Fucking tankies, man.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."

    • Jean-Paul Sartre
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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I don't know choosing to not feed people when there is enough food to feed everyone seems a lot worse than choosing which people to not feed during a time of famine.

    Obviously more people die from the famine, but at least that's due to a lack of resources and not a manufactured scarcity

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I can't find a way to phrase this that's not offensive, so I'll just go ahead: Are you being obtuse or do you just not know what you're talking about? Because if it's the latter you should at least take a scroll down this Wikipedia page before you talk about this stuff. However, I will say that sacrificing millions of people for holy communism (which is what happened; the famine was a choice) isn't much better than sacrificing them for holy property rights. Not asking for foreign aid and denying a famine even existed was also inexcusable.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    take a scroll down this Wikipedia page

    I am once again asking liberals to stop treating Wikipedia as holy Scripture.

    the famine was a choice

    It was a result of bad policy, and that policy was a choice, but it's pretty misleading to try and spin that as making the famine itself "a choice".

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    They also created the famine by decentralizing agriculture and planning, but at least that sort of people learned their lesson from it and didn't repeat the exact same blunder in China years later, right?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I thought it was the nazis who said that, so I checked it with FuckDuckGo assist:

    This phrase, "He who does not work, neither shall he eat," originates from the New Testament, specifically 2 Thessalonians 3:10,

    Also love that people try to make it morally acceptable because of reasons.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    And this was said about able-bodied parasites such as owners of the means of production, shareholders, landlords, and others living off society on non-labor income. At the same time, the population received old-age and disability pensions, maternity leave for women in labor and a huge number of social payments and compensations. Too bad most believe Goebbels propaganda and don't study history.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    And this was said about able-bodied parasites such as owners of the means of production, shareholders, landlords, and others living off society on non-labor income.

    And Ukrainians, don't forget Ukrainians. I know enough about early Soviet history to know that Stalin was a cold-blooded murderer. Not that the rest of the Communist Party was full of upstanding global citizens, but Stalin was particularly egregious.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    Here we go again with the false claims of hunger directed particularly against Ukrainians.

    The Bolsheviks gave Ukrainians for the first time in history borders of their own, representation of their own in politics and the right to study for free and in their own language. There are literal letters between Rosa Luxembourg and Lenin in which Rosa argues against Ukraine getting its own representation as a nationality, and Lenin argues in favour of it (which ultimately was done).

    The president of the Soviet Union after Stalin was Ukrainian. There is no precedent, no continuation, and no following episode of hunger spiking particularly in Ukraine as it more-or-less did in the early 30s. And millions died outside Ukraine too during that hunger episode, primarily in southern Russia and Central Asia.

    Trying to make the 30s famine about Ukrainians is a propaganda exercise first invented by the Nazis to draw Ukrainian sympathy during the Nazi invasion, and it's picking up strength again as it's used in Europe to stoke Russophobia and anti-communist sentiment.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Surely anyone who dares criticize the great Soviets is a straight up Nazi! There can be no other explanation!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I don't think that's what they're saying. There are countless pieces of Nazi propaganda that were taken as fact at some point in the intervening 80 years. Famously, the number of people killed in the Dresden bombing was hugely inflated by the Nazis to smear the Allies, and those numbers were accepted for a very long time.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    How are those comparable? In one an able bodied person refuses work, for they need not to. On the other someone incapable of work receive negligible amounts so they may survive

    I also very much so doubt you know who Goebbels is

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