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Photo enforcement cameras (lemmy.world)
submitted 11 months ago by to c/memes@lemmy.world
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[–] 44 points 11 months ago (17 children)

Gonna be downvoted, because apparently this is car brain central, but the amount of mental gymnastics people will do to make red light camera enforcement "bad" is crazy.

The US' private company control over these cameras notwithstanding.

Fuck me, so many people die on on roads, and especially at intersections.

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  • [–] 44 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The city I work for put up Flock cameras with specific instructions from Council that they were only to be used for identification of cars flagged in active warrants.

    Within a week of their installation, police used the cameras to track the movements of someone who filed a complaint.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Sounds like a police/privacy problem, not the idea of having cameras at all.

    Police should need a warrant to access the videos.

    The software should not log licence plates of every single car that comes past.

    The software should be open source and developed by the public sector.

    I agree what's in place in the US is a privacy nightmare, but the idea of having cameras in general isn't fundamentally bad.

    Skill issue USA, git gud.

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  • [–] 38 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    The US’ private companies

    this is entirely the problem, because they're turning over info to ICE and other agencies and it's being used oppressively.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Hence my carve out. I don't support the privacy nightmare the US has.

    I do support road safety cameras in general, if managed properly.

    People don't have the right to have no consequences for their dangerous behaviour.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I do support road safety cameras in general, if managed properly.

    yeah that's the rub. what municipality do you trust to manage them properly in this day and age? I've seen horror stories from all over the US, UK....

    I fucking hate, absolutely despise the vroom vroom dickheads who make these technologies desirable. I want them to be held accountable but am not sure it's worth the ice goons and yokel yokels who will abuse their capabilities.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I just don't think having this kind of surveillance state apparatus is ever worth it I don't want the government or private companies tracking my every move.

    I don't even own a car and I want these cameras gone.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I don't want the government or private companies tracking my every move

    This is an issue with how the cameras are operated. I'm taking issue with people complaining that these cameras exist at all.

    People claiming no system could ever be privacy-preserving aren't being very imaginative.

    I agree the surveillance state is bad, but taking a picture of someone running a red light and sending them a fine is a good thing, sorry.

    What's bad is allowing cameras to passively record every single licence plate at all times and store that information. A speed or red light camera should only take a photo/video when it detects someone speeding/running a red light, and no other information should be stored.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)

    People enjoy driving dangerously. They don't see it as risky because they haven't been killed in a crash yet.

    Cops enforcing traffic? Bad.

    Cameras enforcing traffic? Bad.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    very few people would complain about traffic police if the cops didn't carry guns or were not trained to pit maneuver you for not wearing a seatbelt

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    So, we agree. This is specifically a US police problem.

    But many people argue against speed cameras and red light cameras in general, as if they have the right to endanger people's lives.

    Pit maneuvers are insane, and aren't done in most other civilised countries.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    No, this is a transportation problem as well. Cameras arent a solution to the problem of too many cars and carcentric infrastructure design lol, its literally a bandaid solution that only affects the poor negatively and no one else. People who complain about the cameras have every right to complain.

    Before any camera is installed, cities should instead be spending that money on reworking street design and getting more buses and banning more cars. Capitalism fixes these problems by letting poor people foot the bill, socialism solves this by making rich people pay their fair share. Are you against taxing the rich instead for safer roads by banning cars on bus-only streets?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Funnily enough, this is my even more preferred solution haha

    I am for public transport centric cities, where you can safely walk across streets, and cities are designed for people, not cars.

    I am 100% for everything you've said, including socialism.

    It's just I'm also living in the world as it currently is, and if we're gonna have car-centric hell holes, I at least want to make breaking the rules have consequences, so car centrism is A BIT safer. Income based fines to boot.

    Most certainly is a band-aid, though. Do agree.

    But I just get pissed when dickheads think speeding isn't a bit deal, or red-light cameras are just for revenue raising, as if driving a massive hunk of metal is a serious responsibility, not to be taken lightly.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    You can complain, but youre getting mad at the symptoms and the cameras are only a solution to the symptoms and dont address any real problem. People should be holding their governors, mayors, city councils, and police departments 100% responsible for poor planning and decision making and not applaud them for a band aid solution like cameras. The proper response on cameras to your government should be: Try again, with effort this time. People should be visiting neighborhood meetings to talk about these problems cameras instead of getting angry at people running lights, all Im saying. Lets direct that energy at the real problems and the people who are the only ones capable of making the necessary changes instead of just picking the pickets of the poor please.

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