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[–] D1re_W0lf@piefed.world 85 points 11 months ago* (23 children) That remind me of this. (Credits in the image) permalink fedilink source hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago Pour one out for the homies we lost along the way ⨂ 𐤎 ʍ ϕ ⲯ permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tabooki@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (4 children) Notice there was no letter J around the time of Jesus. Hrmmm 😆 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] criticon@lemmy.ca 19 points 11 months ago (2 children) That's why some crosses have "INRI" written: Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tabooki@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (1 child) The name "Jesus" comes from the Greek Iēsous, which is a transliteration of the Hebrew name Yeshua (or sometimes the longer form, Yehoshua), meaning "Yahweh saves." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago “Yahweh saves.” ... so Jesus is basically "God Saves" so "Jesus Saves" is just "God Saves Saves"? permalink fedilink source parent [–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago Hence Iesus Nazarenus in Latin. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jarme@jlai.lu 10 points 11 months ago (6 children) Any reason why Romans mirrored some letters ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 27 points 11 months ago (4 children) It was likely caused by the transition from right-to-left to left-to-right writing So basically, while Egyptian hieroglyphs didn't have a specific writing direction, boustrophedon was a very common system, where you'd start writing in one direction, and then switch direction on the next line (so the first letter of the second line is right under the last letter of the first line). The Phonecian script, however, started to stick to right-to-left for writing. When the greeks first adapted the Phonecian alphabet for the Greek language, they wrote in right-to-left and boustrophedon. When writing boustrophedon, they would flip the letters to match the writing direction. When left to right started to gain popularity, the flipped letters were used, and left-to-right is now what is used in the Greek alphabet and its descendants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (3 children) And why did they swap I and Z? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) Z was temporarily removed from the latin alphabet, and when it was readded, it was added to the end permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago "Yeah, we're taking a break from Z, we'll see how things work out" permalink fedilink source parent [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago Thank you! permalink fedilink source parent [–] pacmondo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago Sometimes, you just gotta go for style points. permalink fedilink source parent [–] infinite_goop@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago I just see Nyan Cat permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 child) Anybody else find it weird how the letter forms changed a bunch in BC and then hardly at all in CE? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 months ago Maybe because at that point the Roman Empire controlled most of that part of the world? Also maybe literacy was increasing, requiring more consistency? Then as the Roman Empire declined centuries later different cultures only iterated in their own language? Just some guesses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) Hm. Wonder why the Romans “flipped” the letters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago My guess would be it's easier to write quickly like that when you write left to right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago Easier to read in your rear view permalink fedilink source parent [+] smeg@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago As written language spread through existing spoken languages, changes are made to match the spoken sounds and languages that have different pronunciation requirements repurpose, drop, create, or modify characters to fit their phonetic needs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) But how did the V become a U? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* Pronunciation evolution differentiated U and V more and people started differentiating that with an extra sign. As in, the Roman V was pronounced kinda like both and not like today's V - the Roman symbol V is not the modern letter V. You may notice that modern media about ancient Rome have been making Vs sound more like Us. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago It looks like V became U, V, & W permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago Pour one out for the homies we lost along the way ⨂ 𐤎 ʍ ϕ ⲯ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tabooki@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (4 children) Notice there was no letter J around the time of Jesus. Hrmmm 😆 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] criticon@lemmy.ca 19 points 11 months ago (2 children) That's why some crosses have "INRI" written: Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tabooki@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (1 child) The name "Jesus" comes from the Greek Iēsous, which is a transliteration of the Hebrew name Yeshua (or sometimes the longer form, Yehoshua), meaning "Yahweh saves." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago “Yahweh saves.” ... so Jesus is basically "God Saves" so "Jesus Saves" is just "God Saves Saves"? permalink fedilink source parent [–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago Hence Iesus Nazarenus in Latin. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] criticon@lemmy.ca 19 points 11 months ago (2 children) That's why some crosses have "INRI" written: Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tabooki@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (1 child) The name "Jesus" comes from the Greek Iēsous, which is a transliteration of the Hebrew name Yeshua (or sometimes the longer form, Yehoshua), meaning "Yahweh saves." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago “Yahweh saves.” ... so Jesus is basically "God Saves" so "Jesus Saves" is just "God Saves Saves"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tabooki@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (1 child) The name "Jesus" comes from the Greek Iēsous, which is a transliteration of the Hebrew name Yeshua (or sometimes the longer form, Yehoshua), meaning "Yahweh saves." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago “Yahweh saves.” ... so Jesus is basically "God Saves" so "Jesus Saves" is just "God Saves Saves"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago “Yahweh saves.” ... so Jesus is basically "God Saves" so "Jesus Saves" is just "God Saves Saves"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago Hence Iesus Nazarenus in Latin. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jarme@jlai.lu 10 points 11 months ago (6 children) Any reason why Romans mirrored some letters ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 27 points 11 months ago (4 children) It was likely caused by the transition from right-to-left to left-to-right writing So basically, while Egyptian hieroglyphs didn't have a specific writing direction, boustrophedon was a very common system, where you'd start writing in one direction, and then switch direction on the next line (so the first letter of the second line is right under the last letter of the first line). The Phonecian script, however, started to stick to right-to-left for writing. When the greeks first adapted the Phonecian alphabet for the Greek language, they wrote in right-to-left and boustrophedon. When writing boustrophedon, they would flip the letters to match the writing direction. When left to right started to gain popularity, the flipped letters were used, and left-to-right is now what is used in the Greek alphabet and its descendants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (3 children) And why did they swap I and Z? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) Z was temporarily removed from the latin alphabet, and when it was readded, it was added to the end permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago "Yeah, we're taking a break from Z, we'll see how things work out" permalink fedilink source parent [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago Thank you! permalink fedilink source parent [–] pacmondo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago Sometimes, you just gotta go for style points. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 27 points 11 months ago (4 children) It was likely caused by the transition from right-to-left to left-to-right writing So basically, while Egyptian hieroglyphs didn't have a specific writing direction, boustrophedon was a very common system, where you'd start writing in one direction, and then switch direction on the next line (so the first letter of the second line is right under the last letter of the first line). The Phonecian script, however, started to stick to right-to-left for writing. When the greeks first adapted the Phonecian alphabet for the Greek language, they wrote in right-to-left and boustrophedon. When writing boustrophedon, they would flip the letters to match the writing direction. When left to right started to gain popularity, the flipped letters were used, and left-to-right is now what is used in the Greek alphabet and its descendants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (3 children) And why did they swap I and Z? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) Z was temporarily removed from the latin alphabet, and when it was readded, it was added to the end permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago "Yeah, we're taking a break from Z, we'll see how things work out" permalink fedilink source parent [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago Thank you! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (3 children) And why did they swap I and Z? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) Z was temporarily removed from the latin alphabet, and when it was readded, it was added to the end permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago "Yeah, we're taking a break from Z, we'll see how things work out" permalink fedilink source parent [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago Thank you! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) Z was temporarily removed from the latin alphabet, and when it was readded, it was added to the end permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago "Yeah, we're taking a break from Z, we'll see how things work out" permalink fedilink source parent [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago Thank you! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago "Yeah, we're taking a break from Z, we'll see how things work out" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pacmondo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago Sometimes, you just gotta go for style points. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] infinite_goop@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago I just see Nyan Cat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 child) Anybody else find it weird how the letter forms changed a bunch in BC and then hardly at all in CE? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 months ago Maybe because at that point the Roman Empire controlled most of that part of the world? Also maybe literacy was increasing, requiring more consistency? Then as the Roman Empire declined centuries later different cultures only iterated in their own language? Just some guesses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 months ago Maybe because at that point the Roman Empire controlled most of that part of the world? Also maybe literacy was increasing, requiring more consistency? Then as the Roman Empire declined centuries later different cultures only iterated in their own language? Just some guesses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) Hm. Wonder why the Romans “flipped” the letters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago My guess would be it's easier to write quickly like that when you write left to right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago Easier to read in your rear view permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago My guess would be it's easier to write quickly like that when you write left to right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago Easier to read in your rear view permalink fedilink source parent
[+] smeg@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago As written language spread through existing spoken languages, changes are made to match the spoken sounds and languages that have different pronunciation requirements repurpose, drop, create, or modify characters to fit their phonetic needs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago As written language spread through existing spoken languages, changes are made to match the spoken sounds and languages that have different pronunciation requirements repurpose, drop, create, or modify characters to fit their phonetic needs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) But how did the V become a U? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* Pronunciation evolution differentiated U and V more and people started differentiating that with an extra sign. As in, the Roman V was pronounced kinda like both and not like today's V - the Roman symbol V is not the modern letter V. You may notice that modern media about ancient Rome have been making Vs sound more like Us. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago It looks like V became U, V, & W permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* Pronunciation evolution differentiated U and V more and people started differentiating that with an extra sign. As in, the Roman V was pronounced kinda like both and not like today's V - the Roman symbol V is not the modern letter V. You may notice that modern media about ancient Rome have been making Vs sound more like Us. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago It looks like V became U, V, & W permalink fedilink source parent