▲ 589 ▼ OpenAI needs to raise at least $207bn by 2030 so it can continue to lose money, HSBC estimates (www.ft.com) submitted 11 months ago by cyrano@piefed.social to c/technology@lemmy.world 82 comments fedilink hide all child comments Alphaville is free access. Just create a free account.
[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago (10 children) Is it becoming useful yet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* Sometimes. As a tool, not an outsourced human, oracle, or some transcendent companion con artists like Altman are trying to sell. See how grounded this interview is, from a company with a model trained on peanuts compared to ChatGPT, and that takes even less to run: …In 2025, with the launch of Manus and Claude Code, we realized that coding and agentic functions are more useful. They contribute more economically and significantly improve people’s efficiency. We are no longer putting simple chat at the top of our priorities. Instead, we are exploring more on the coding side and the agent side. We observe the trend and do many experiments on it. https://www.chinatalk.media/p/the-zai-playbook They talk about how the next release will be very small/lightweight, and more task focused. How important gaining efficiency through architecture (not scaling up) is now. They even touch on how their own models are starting to be useful utilities in their workflows, and specifically not miraculous worker replacements. permalink fedilink source parent [+] PullPantsUnsworn@lemmy.ml -1 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago One example is it reviews code a lot better than human beings. It’s not just finding obvious errors but it catches logical error that no human would have caught. No, it does not. Source: Open-source contributor who's constantly annoyed by the useless CodeRabbit AI that some open source projects have chosen to use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (2 children) It’s not just finding obvious errors but it catches logical error that no human would have caught. I'm not having the same experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub -1 points 11 months ago (1 child) Maybe reconsider which model you're using? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) If there was a model that coded perfectly then there wouldn't be a plurality of models. There would just be THE model. It's like companies having competing math formulas for structural engineering where some work and others don't. It's insanity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) And how many errors is it creating that we don't know about? You're using AI to review code but then someone has to review what the AI did because they fuck up. If humans code something, then humans can troubleshoot and fix it. It's on our level. But how are you going to fix a gigantic complicated tangle of vibe code that AI makes and only AI understands? Make a better AI to fix it? Again and again? Just get the AI to code another system from scratch every month? This shit is not sustainable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jaykrown@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (2 children) Yes, as far as scalability, cheaper more efficient models can be used in applications which require thousands of uses a day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mriormro@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jaykrown@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago What's your knowledge regarding LLMs, if any at all? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* Sometimes. As a tool, not an outsourced human, oracle, or some transcendent companion con artists like Altman are trying to sell. See how grounded this interview is, from a company with a model trained on peanuts compared to ChatGPT, and that takes even less to run: …In 2025, with the launch of Manus and Claude Code, we realized that coding and agentic functions are more useful. They contribute more economically and significantly improve people’s efficiency. We are no longer putting simple chat at the top of our priorities. Instead, we are exploring more on the coding side and the agent side. We observe the trend and do many experiments on it. https://www.chinatalk.media/p/the-zai-playbook They talk about how the next release will be very small/lightweight, and more task focused. How important gaining efficiency through architecture (not scaling up) is now. They even touch on how their own models are starting to be useful utilities in their workflows, and specifically not miraculous worker replacements. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] PullPantsUnsworn@lemmy.ml -1 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago One example is it reviews code a lot better than human beings. It’s not just finding obvious errors but it catches logical error that no human would have caught. No, it does not. Source: Open-source contributor who's constantly annoyed by the useless CodeRabbit AI that some open source projects have chosen to use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (2 children) It’s not just finding obvious errors but it catches logical error that no human would have caught. I'm not having the same experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub -1 points 11 months ago (1 child) Maybe reconsider which model you're using? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) If there was a model that coded perfectly then there wouldn't be a plurality of models. There would just be THE model. It's like companies having competing math formulas for structural engineering where some work and others don't. It's insanity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) And how many errors is it creating that we don't know about? You're using AI to review code but then someone has to review what the AI did because they fuck up. If humans code something, then humans can troubleshoot and fix it. It's on our level. But how are you going to fix a gigantic complicated tangle of vibe code that AI makes and only AI understands? Make a better AI to fix it? Again and again? Just get the AI to code another system from scratch every month? This shit is not sustainable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago One example is it reviews code a lot better than human beings. It’s not just finding obvious errors but it catches logical error that no human would have caught. No, it does not. Source: Open-source contributor who's constantly annoyed by the useless CodeRabbit AI that some open source projects have chosen to use. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (2 children) It’s not just finding obvious errors but it catches logical error that no human would have caught. I'm not having the same experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub -1 points 11 months ago (1 child) Maybe reconsider which model you're using? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) If there was a model that coded perfectly then there wouldn't be a plurality of models. There would just be THE model. It's like companies having competing math formulas for structural engineering where some work and others don't. It's insanity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mirshafie@europe.pub -1 points 11 months ago (1 child) Maybe reconsider which model you're using? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) If there was a model that coded perfectly then there wouldn't be a plurality of models. There would just be THE model. It's like companies having competing math formulas for structural engineering where some work and others don't. It's insanity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) If there was a model that coded perfectly then there wouldn't be a plurality of models. There would just be THE model. It's like companies having competing math formulas for structural engineering where some work and others don't. It's insanity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) And how many errors is it creating that we don't know about? You're using AI to review code but then someone has to review what the AI did because they fuck up. If humans code something, then humans can troubleshoot and fix it. It's on our level. But how are you going to fix a gigantic complicated tangle of vibe code that AI makes and only AI understands? Make a better AI to fix it? Again and again? Just get the AI to code another system from scratch every month? This shit is not sustainable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (2 children) Yes, as far as scalability, cheaper more efficient models can be used in applications which require thousands of uses a day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mriormro@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jaykrown@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago What's your knowledge regarding LLMs, if any at all? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mriormro@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jaykrown@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago What's your knowledge regarding LLMs, if any at all? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago What's your knowledge regarding LLMs, if any at all? permalink fedilink source parent