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[–] 38 points 1 year ago (91 children)

i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight...

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  • [–] 99 points 1 year ago (35 children)

    I would say go with whatever company that doesn't have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Yeah, the Chinese manufacturers are out to make money, and at least we know what to expect from them.

    Besides, being profitable usually means making a better product than your competitors.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    GASP!

    You mean... Proper capitalism!?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No, I haven't bought a new car in many many years.

    That's absolutely unacceptable. I would have the dashboard pulled out in minutes. Wherever the modem is, it wouldn't be there for long.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hahahah, fuse go brrrr.

    Jokes aside, they probably shut off the car if it can't phone home within a certain time period.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yeah. I have a car that has telemetry. Sucks for privacy, but if I was going to commit a crime, I would just ******************************************************************************, use the system to obfuscate the data.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't know that they're out to make money though. A lot of the Chinese manufacturers are now struggling due to the price war they instigated themselves. Huge production surplus but they pushed down the price so much they hardly make any money

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Competition is fierce, but they are not exactly struggling due to government subsidies/incentives. These are so extreme that Chinese manufacturers are over producing and dumping "used" EVs with zero mileage for export.

    Similar to US agricultural dumping, this is a terrible policy for everyone, except for the beneficiaries of the subsidies, and maybe the overseas consumers who get cheap EVs in the short term.

    China's Zero-Mile 'Used' EVs Are Flooding Global Markets - https://insideevs.com/news/763687/china-zero-mile-used-evs/

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    If you don't see musk as one of the singular greatest threats to this planet, I dunno what to tell you. It is certainly not just the salute, that was just the most public he's been about his true self. If I recall those Nazis had some thoughts on the Holocaust as well.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    How many of those got up on stage with the seal of the president of the United States and did one of the most identifiable actions of the last true fascist regime? musk was able to spend $250 million to pretend to be president for a few months to kneecap the US government and kill all the investigations into his illegal dealings as well as reward his companies with lucrative government contracts. I'd love to see any of those tinpot dictators and "communist" leaders do that.

    Putin is the head of the paper tiger Russia. If they didn't have nukes the US probably would have steam rolled them back in 2014 when they took Crimea. If the world actually gave Ukraine the weapons and resources to do it, I have no doubt they could be at Moscow's door in a couple months.

    Kim Jung Un is the head of a pariah state who relies on worldwide aide so that his people don't starve more than they already are starving.

    Sure Xi is the head of the state in which there is obviously genocide happening, but he's not running a car company, which is what this whole article is about.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    With that level of indirection gymnastics, you can accuse anyone of anything.

    (This comment written in the language of a brutally colonizing and genocidal empire.)

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Root for better public transport and active cities instead of car dependency :)

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The public transport bus I take to and from work is a Chinese made electric. It's a Yutong E15.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    i am lucky, my city has excellent public transport, that doesn't stop people from using cars though. be it because of pure habit, or because public transport is not solution for everything.

    so i'd rather if our european car industry wasn't decimated by the chinese one.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Competition is good for the consumer. More options from more players will encourage more charging infrastructure and (ostensibly) more innovation. It's not just Elon Musk vs China. Every automaker that wants to sell cars in the USA is on notice. If they want to compete in the EV subcategory, they need to focus on price and performance. People want budget-conscious EVs.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That is not even remotely why they added a tax on EVs. The reason they added the extra tax is because they make a ton of money by taxing gas and as EVs are gaining popularity they're starting to see their tax revenues plummet. There is a nugget of truth in that some of those tax revenues are used to pay for maintaining the roads and that EVs do still put wear and tear on the roads, but it's not that they're destroying roads any more than any other car does.

    If you're seeing a drop in road quality it's because your government isn't paying to have the roads maintained like they have in the past, not because there are more EVs driving around.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I can't find anything on such a tax?

    I feel like there has been an uptick in pro oil bots in the past week. Oil is a pretty ugly business too? What is wrong with you people.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Bio gas and diesel are also renewable.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    With average EU energy mix total carbon footprint of a biogas car is still only 3/4 of an equivalent electric vehicle after 10 years of use.

    Additional weight of the vehicle and the costly battery production matters.

    With average US east coast energy mix the EVs carbon footprint would be double that of a biogas car after 10 years of use.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Others have addressed your other questions, but I want to add that the "coil whine" that irritates you is probably the car's slow-moving warning system. EVs are effectively silent at slow speeds because there is no engine noise or road noise, so they are required to make an annoying sound when maneuvering to get your attention. While it is an important safety feature, I agree some are very obnoxious.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    With my cheap over night tarrif (UK) I pay approximately 2p a mile, I'm planning a road trip to Europe soon and have calculated with a pay for discount EV charge card, I'll average about 14p/mile. I'm saving between £60-£80 a month compared to my old diesel car, which pays off the charger install ~£900 in a year. Diesel price have dropped in the UK since I got mine.

    For servicing it's coolant every 3 years or so, and that pretty much it. We have a MOT in the UK, for every vehicle over 3 years old, then yearly, that covers more than what is needed on the yearly services for my car. Only thing it doesn't cover is lubricate the charge port, but I think I'm ok with that

    Also the cabin noise is almost silent, no gears, constant predictable acceleration, and I can plug anything I want in to the 240v outlet in the back seat

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Competition is good for the consumer.

    except what is happening now is not really any kind of fair competition. the european manufacturers exported they know-how to china, which was strategic failure, it was stolen, and now it is sold back to us with the advantage of cheap chinese production.

    they will ruin our production and we will be in a similar situation where we were during covid, when the political leadership were saluting the china cargo airplanes on tarmac, otherwise it would not bring us masks, syringes, or any other stuff whose production we had given up and outsourced to china

    unless we turn the ship around quite soon, we will be regretting it soon and for a long time.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Everywhere is depndent on China, buy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car. They also suck.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    China would love so much to rule the world, that’s why it hasn’t entered any war in the past 40+ years

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hundred-Year_Marathon

    the global south are happy to enter the comparably advantageous economic deals

    are they happy? and are the deals advantageous? can you back up your claims? 😂

    As for “dictator”, look at the approval rates of Xi in China

    oh yes, the approval rating of a dictator in a dictatorship is very valid metric 😂. (hint hint: they are irrelevant even if they were not fixed. any kind of approval rating bears zero relevance to whether the country is a totalitarian state or not, or whether the country is a threat to its neighbours or not).

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Telsas total european market share this month is 1.2%, down from 1.8% last may. The chinese market share is 5.9%, not 5.6%.

    5.9% vs 1.2% is a 5x sales rate for chinese cars versus Teslas. According to the article, china doubled its EU market share in the last year, while Tesla lost 30% of its market share in the same time period.

    The title is not sensational. If anything, your comment is a bit misleading by not listing the tesla EU market share.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There are lots of EVs by European car manufacturers. The problem is that they have trouble competing on price with the Chinese ones.

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