▲ 421 ▼ CHAT CONTROL 2.0 THROUGH THE BACK DOOR – Breyer warns: "The EU is playing us for fools – now they’re scanning our texts and banning teens!" (www.patrick-breyer.de) submitted 1 year ago by floofloof@lemmy.ca to c/technology@lemmy.world 42 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago All the current powers that be, private and governmental, can heartily agree that allowing the public to have any expectation of privacy or autonomy is highly undesirable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* Of course, just listen to the CEO of Palantir, he already admitted that that's his goal. By inference, we can extrapolate that this is the goal of all major business leaders of these companies who are developing AI systems. They need more data to compete with China, and if that requires the West to have authoritarian mass surveillance systems, so be it. https://gizmodo.com/palantir-ceo-says-a-surveillance-state-is-preferable-to-china-winning-the-ai-race-2000683144 permalink fedilink source parent [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Can we please stop circlejerking AI into everything? The chat control has been in debate before AI was mainstream permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) My insight: EU is not interested in training AI for your corporations, neither are personal chats with likely zero accuracy/factuality good training material, neither is sms-style grammar going to improve any existing AI, everything about this is illogical and pretty stupid. It has always been about control, not.. training AI lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) Again, that is not a good training material. There have been numerous studies on the type of training data we feed and the result of it. This type of content tends to poison the data and lead to equalivent of brainrot for AI's. This is not very useful data for AI, there are far better sources. Again, seems highly illogical the EU would do all this just to train some shitty AI. Training material should also always be accompanied by context data, which is commonly missing from instant messaging. It's just too big of a mess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago Counter-argument: all my drug dealers use whatsapp. Real life is not movies, criminals are rarely tech savvy. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago All the current powers that be, private and governmental, can heartily agree that allowing the public to have any expectation of privacy or autonomy is highly undesirable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* Of course, just listen to the CEO of Palantir, he already admitted that that's his goal. By inference, we can extrapolate that this is the goal of all major business leaders of these companies who are developing AI systems. They need more data to compete with China, and if that requires the West to have authoritarian mass surveillance systems, so be it. https://gizmodo.com/palantir-ceo-says-a-surveillance-state-is-preferable-to-china-winning-the-ai-race-2000683144 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Can we please stop circlejerking AI into everything? The chat control has been in debate before AI was mainstream permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) My insight: EU is not interested in training AI for your corporations, neither are personal chats with likely zero accuracy/factuality good training material, neither is sms-style grammar going to improve any existing AI, everything about this is illogical and pretty stupid. It has always been about control, not.. training AI lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) Again, that is not a good training material. There have been numerous studies on the type of training data we feed and the result of it. This type of content tends to poison the data and lead to equalivent of brainrot for AI's. This is not very useful data for AI, there are far better sources. Again, seems highly illogical the EU would do all this just to train some shitty AI. Training material should also always be accompanied by context data, which is commonly missing from instant messaging. It's just too big of a mess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago Counter-argument: all my drug dealers use whatsapp. Real life is not movies, criminals are rarely tech savvy. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) My insight: EU is not interested in training AI for your corporations, neither are personal chats with likely zero accuracy/factuality good training material, neither is sms-style grammar going to improve any existing AI, everything about this is illogical and pretty stupid. It has always been about control, not.. training AI lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) Again, that is not a good training material. There have been numerous studies on the type of training data we feed and the result of it. This type of content tends to poison the data and lead to equalivent of brainrot for AI's. This is not very useful data for AI, there are far better sources. Again, seems highly illogical the EU would do all this just to train some shitty AI. Training material should also always be accompanied by context data, which is commonly missing from instant messaging. It's just too big of a mess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago Counter-argument: all my drug dealers use whatsapp. Real life is not movies, criminals are rarely tech savvy. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) My insight: EU is not interested in training AI for your corporations, neither are personal chats with likely zero accuracy/factuality good training material, neither is sms-style grammar going to improve any existing AI, everything about this is illogical and pretty stupid. It has always been about control, not.. training AI lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) Again, that is not a good training material. There have been numerous studies on the type of training data we feed and the result of it. This type of content tends to poison the data and lead to equalivent of brainrot for AI's. This is not very useful data for AI, there are far better sources. Again, seems highly illogical the EU would do all this just to train some shitty AI. Training material should also always be accompanied by context data, which is commonly missing from instant messaging. It's just too big of a mess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago Counter-argument: all my drug dealers use whatsapp. Real life is not movies, criminals are rarely tech savvy. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) Again, that is not a good training material. There have been numerous studies on the type of training data we feed and the result of it. This type of content tends to poison the data and lead to equalivent of brainrot for AI's. This is not very useful data for AI, there are far better sources. Again, seems highly illogical the EU would do all this just to train some shitty AI. Training material should also always be accompanied by context data, which is commonly missing from instant messaging. It's just too big of a mess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago Counter-argument: all my drug dealers use whatsapp. Real life is not movies, criminals are rarely tech savvy. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) Again, that is not a good training material. There have been numerous studies on the type of training data we feed and the result of it. This type of content tends to poison the data and lead to equalivent of brainrot for AI's. This is not very useful data for AI, there are far better sources. Again, seems highly illogical the EU would do all this just to train some shitty AI. Training material should also always be accompanied by context data, which is commonly missing from instant messaging. It's just too big of a mess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago Counter-argument: all my drug dealers use whatsapp. Real life is not movies, criminals are rarely tech savvy. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago Counter-argument: all my drug dealers use whatsapp. Real life is not movies, criminals are rarely tech savvy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 1 year ago Counter-argument: all my drug dealers use whatsapp. Real life is not movies, criminals are rarely tech savvy. permalink fedilink source parent