I recently asked the /c/Android community what information Google has access to on stock Android, assuming the user is not using any Google apps, and was told Google has full "unstoppable" access to the entire device, including Signal messages, the microphone, duckduckgo search history and anything displayed on the screen at all times.

Does this mean that encrypted messaging is essentially pointless to use on Android? I'm a newb here so go easy on me.

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[–] 50 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

Currently, no (other than the microphone). Android apps are sandboxed and the Signal app encrypts its data so it isn't readable from the outside. There is however a real concern if using keyboards with predictive text, because the keyboard knows what you're typing into Signal.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Android apps are sandboxed

    FWIW, they're not sandboxed from google play services:

    The Play Store Services process has access to your precise location at all times, the motion sensors, networks, hardware identifiers (including IMEI), contacts, passwords, the entire storage space, call logs, access to other apps’ data, and more.

    Accordingly, google would have access to the Signal data on your phone. However, I don't know whether the encryption would provide a measure of protection against google. GrapheneOS by default does not use google play services, and provides a sandboxed version for people who need the functionality.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I believe notifications would be accessible. Note that i don't mean the push notification backend mentioned by Doomerang, but the actual notification that goes into your status bar (which is all processed on device). That would be readable by the OS in theory.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I will leave just this info here

    Technical Data

    Subject of Investigation: Google Play Services
    Number of Permissions: 277
    Operating System: Android 4.4.2 and above

    List of Permissions

    3.1. Automotive Systems Control

    Access to data and control of vehicle components via Android Auto/CarPlay:

    • Power windows
    • Tire pressure monitoring system
    • Rearview mirrors
    • Power system
    • Mileage data
    • Central door locking
    • Driving mode management
    • Seat adjustment
    • Vehicle speed data
    • Lighting system (headlights)
    • Battery
    • Climate control

    3.2. User Interface Manipulation

    • Embedding into application activities
    • Application substitution
    • Application icon modification

    3.3. "Chimera" Component

    System component of undetermined purpose.

    3.4. SMS Management

    Complete control of text messaging functions:

    • Sending messages
    • Receiving messages
    • Reading messages
    • Creating messages

    3.5. Root-Level System Privileges

    Complete device control at root-access level.

    3.6. Application Data Access

    • Access to all activities
    • Ability to embed into activities
    • Access to contacts

    3.7. USB Management

    Control of USB connections and data transfer.

    3.8. Identifier Access

    Access to all system and user device identifiers.

    3.9. Screen Lock Management

    Disabling keyguard (screen lock system).

    3.10. Mail Services Access

    • Access to email
    • Access to voicemail

    3.11. Network Function Management

    • Enabling/disabling network interfaces
    • Background data download
    • Modification of network settings

    3.12. Wi-Fi Management

    • Access to saved Wi-Fi passwords
    • Wi-Fi password transmission

    3.13. Audio Recording

    • Microphone audio recording
    • "Capture audio hotword" function (keyword capture)
    • Continuous audio stream monitoring for hotword detection

    3.14. Geolocation

    Complete control of location functions:

    • Location determination by all available methods
    • Independent enabling/disabling of geolocation services
    • "Allocate aggressive" mode (aggressive resource allocation for location determination)

    3.15. Payment Information Transmission

    Sending payment data without specified recipient restrictions.

    3.16. Camera Control

    Access to device camera.

    3.17. Telephony Function Management

    • Making calls
    • Access to call history
    • Control of telephone connections

    3.18. Permission Management

    Manipulation of other applications' permissions:

    • Permission backup
    • Permission sharing
    • Permission revocation
    • Permission restoration

    3.19. Device Lock Management

    • Device locking
    • Device unlocking
    • Password protection bypass

    3.20. Biometric Authentication

    Complete control of biometric identification systems:

    • Fingerprint scanner
    • Facial recognition (Face ID)

    3.21. Notification Management

    Manipulation of system notifications:

    • SMS notification substitution
    • Call notification modification
    • Messenger notification modification

    3.22. Telephony Function Access

    • Access to telephony module
    • Call management

    3.23. Bluetooth Management

    Control of Bluetooth connections.

    3.24. Security Key Management

    • Encryption key substitution
    • Password reset

    Google Play Services is one of many pre-installed Google system components. A standard Android installation contains 30-50 additional Google applications with similar or complementary permission sets.

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