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Myth, Buster (lemmy.ca)
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[–] 12 points 1 year ago (10 children)

America (used to, at least) seems "free" because the people coming to the US are usually from even worse countries. If they were from a functional democracy, they probably wouldn't wanna go to the US in the first place. I mean, I highly doubt a Canadian, or EU Citizen would wanna live in the US.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    “We’re less shitty” just doesn’t have a ring to it.

    The US had a massively growing economy for more than a century compared to other countries, and was pretty much war-free for the most part. A huge draw for people who were poor and had little hope in classist Europe. Yeah, the growing US engaged in a lot of fighting, but it wasn’t like Europe where a war with your neighboring country destroyed your food production and plunged the economy into chaos or something.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    As long as you were white.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I’ll quibble over that detail a little. Immigrants that were technically white like Irish were discriminated against. Also, even if you were non-white at the time like Italian you still could have a better shot at a better quality of life than you might have had in the old country.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I mean, they were white by our modern standards but if you read writing at the time, the Irish, Italians, Greeks, etc were often not referred to or considered to be white.

    The Irish were also literally fleeing a genocide.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Really depends on how you define "free". Immigration is rarely spurred by people wanting more individual rights, most of the times people migrate for economic opportunities. That's not really dependent on government type, or individual rights, it's usually more dependent on macroeconomics, timing/opportunity, and exploitation.

    America used to be more free in the libertarian sense, in which the government has less opportunities to opress you if you were from a class/race that could afford legal representation. However, corporations were/are free to opress the population to an extent that other oprresive governments would be jealous of.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I mean, for one, the internet is much less restrictive.

    Much more content I can access compared to... China, where I was born.

    Although, nowadays with the "age verification" stuff being proposed in many states, its kinda worrying for the future.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    That is the tradeoff..... The government may restrict the Internet in a more direct way in China, but similar things have happened in the US.

    Advertising companies and server cost have vicariously limited the scope of what we are allowed access on the internet. Internet sites that are deemed to be un safe for advertising are removed from search engines or denied hosting. That's happened over the course of a decade and now the government is taking a direct hand in censorship.

    Soo... It's kinda hard to say which is more free if we account for the private sector removing choice for their own benefit. We just don't take to account what private companies do to us as removing our freedoms, even though it restricts is in more definitive ways.

    Just look at healthcare in the US being used as a form of indentured servitude, where you may be gambling with your very well being if you want to change your job.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Just look at healthcare in the US being used as a form of indentured servitude, where you may be gambling with your very well being if you want to change your job.

    Yes, healthcare situation sucks in the US.

    But, my parents had Taishan (rural) Hukou and they worked in Guangzhou (urban-city). And they weren't allowed to access any of Guangzhou's benefits (in which there weren't even much of at the time). I was born in Guangzhou, but I was not legally considered a 广州人, my Hukou Location is inherited from parents, Taishan. Its very ironic that its practically impossible to change the Hukou to Guangzhou, meanwhile its easier to obtain foreign citizenship. I wasn't allowed in Guangzhou's public schools. (many migrant parents paid out of pocket for privately-run schools that's inferior to the public schools) Literally a whole population of second-class residents. You can have family live in Guangzhou for generations, but it doesn't matter, you are never really part of them, legally speaking. Often times, children get left behind in their village while the parents worked in the city. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-behind_children_in_China

    People moved to the US because, prior to 2025 at least, it used to be much easier than places like Europe, for example. I mean, some people already have relatives here in the US, much easier to acclimate.

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