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Tesla In 'Self-Drive Mode' Hit By Train After Turning Onto Train Tracks (www.jalopnik.com)
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[–] 45 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I've heard they also like to disengage self-driving mode right before a collision.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    That actually sounds like a reasonable response. Driving assist means that a human is supposed to be attentive to take control. If the system detects a situation where it's unable to make a good decision, dumping that decision on the human in control seems like the closest they have to a "fail safe" option. Of course, there should probably also be an understanding that people are stupid and will almost certainly have stopped paying attention a long time ago. So, maybe a "human take the wheel" followed by a "slam the brakes" if no input is detected in 2-3 seconds. While an emergency stop isn't always the right choice, it probably beats leaving a several ton metal object hurtling along uncontrolled in nearly every circumstance.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    That actually sounds like a reasonable response.

    If you give the driver enough time to act, which tesla doesn't. They turn it off a second before impact and then claim it wasn't in self-driving mode.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Not even a second, it's sometimes less than 250-300ms. If I wasn't already anticipating it to fail and disengage as it went though the 2-lane wide turn I would have gone straight into oncoming traffic

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I don't know if that is still the case, but many electronic stuff in the US had warnings, with pictures, like "don't put it in the bath", and the like .

    People are dumb, and you should take that into account.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    That sounds a lot more like a rumor to me.. it would be extremely suspicious and would leave them open to GIGANTIC liability issues.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    How so? The human in the car is always ultimately responsible when using level 3 driver assists. Tesla does not have level 4/5 self-driving and therefore doesn’t have to assume any liability.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    This right here is another fault in regulation that eventually will catch up because Especially with level three where it's primarily the vehicle driving and the driver just gives periodic input It's not the driver that's in control most of the time. It's the vehicle so therefore It should not be the driver at fault

    Honestly, I think everything up to level two should be drivers at fault because those levels require a constant driver's input. However, level three conditional driving and higher should be considered liability of the company unless the company can prove that the autonomous control, handed control back to the driver in a human-capable manner (i.e Not within the last second like Tesla currently does)

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